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#Post#: 89963--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham - 01a, parked in restricted street - how may I see
the temporary traffic order?
DIR By: neverpaying
Date: September 15, 2025, 5:26 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
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> So where is this sign relative to where your car was.
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HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/fF8ZKm9hq1xiBmyy6
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I've drawn up a map to help:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/u92dPz8.jpeg
#Post#: 89981--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham - 01a, parked in restricted street - how may I see
the temporary traffic order?
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: September 15, 2025, 6:25 am
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The signs aren't 'suspension' signs, as in suspending a parking
place, they are supposed to be 'appropriate traffic signs
displayed in accordance with the [Traffic Signs etc]
regulations' - see para. 2 of the TTRO.
The TTRO amends the provisions of the principal order, The
Newham(Waiting and Loading Restriction) Order 2011. This is
amended 'as if for the Road purposes of the application of
Article 5(1)[to the streets listed in the Schedule of the
temporary order] ..the prescribed hours were at any time'.
There is no 'at any time restriction' in the road(preventing
parking and waiting), so have the correct signs been erected?
IMO, there is nothing in what's written on the sign or which
could be deduced therefrom which supports the imposition of a
temporary as opposed to 'at any time' waiting and loading
restriction on the specified day.
IMO, make sure you add contravention did not occur to your reps.
And this is not based on guesswork, it's simply reading their
order which is displayed on the board.
#Post#: 90027--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham - 01a, parked in restricted street - how may I see
the temporary traffic order?
DIR By: neverpaying
Date: September 15, 2025, 9:46 am
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> The signs aren't 'suspension' signs, as in suspending a
parking place, they are supposed to be 'appropriate traffic
signs displayed in accordance with the [Traffic Signs etc]
regulations' - see para. 2 of the TTRO.
>
> The TTRO amends the provisions of the principal order, The
Newham(Waiting and Loading Restriction) Order 2011. This is
amended 'as if for the Road purposes of the application of
Article 5(1)[to the streets listed in the Schedule of the
temporary order] ..the prescribed hours were at any time'.
>
> There is no 'at any time restriction' in the road(preventing
parking and waiting), so have the correct signs been erected?
>
> IMO, there is nothing in what's written on the sign or which
could be deduced therefrom which supports the imposition of a
temporary as opposed to 'at any time' waiting and loading
restriction in the specified day.
>
> IMO, make sure you add contravention did not occur to your
reps. And this is not based on guesswork, it's simply reading
their order which is displayed on the board.
>
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Thank you for the reply.
To clarify, the TTRO states that the 2011 order is amended so
that the prescribed hours are 24 hours, instead of the 8am-6pm
that they currently are. And we are questioning whether this has
been adequately represented in the signs that were erected?
#Post#: 90052--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham - 01a, parked in restricted street - how may I see
the temporary traffic order?
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: September 15, 2025, 11:16 am
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No, the 'no waiting sign' states 8am-6pm; the order states that
the amended restriction applies only if the appropriate
prescribed traffic signs are placed, the order implies that the
restriction is 'at any time' (there's no reference to 8am-6pm),
therefore 'appropriate traffic signs' have not been placed,
therefore the order has not been implemented correctly and no
penalties may be demanded.
But just expect their analysis to skim the surface with 'sign
states 8-6 therefore it's 8-6', totally ignoring the substantive
issue.
#Post#: 90056--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham - 01a, parked in restricted street - how may I see
the temporary traffic order?
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: September 15, 2025, 11:46 am
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Why did you park there. If you parked and walked forward from
the car the nearest parking sign does not appear to have had a
temp sign. And in any case it seems to have been the nearest
sign - numerous tribunal appeals have been won on this.
#Post#: 93059--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham - 01a, parked in restricted street - how may I see
the temporary traffic order?
DIR By: neverpaying
Date: October 6, 2025, 9:40 am
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NoR received: Is 3 days really enough notice for the signs?
HTML https://i.ibb.co/7dCJKcJn/NoR-1.png
HTML https://i.ibb.co/xSxTyWSV/NoR-2.png
Representation that was rejected:
--- Quote ---
> The contravention did not occur for the following reasons:
>
> The Temporary Traffic Regulation Order (TTRO) amends the
Newham (Waiting and Loading Restriction) Order 2011 to apply
Article 5(1) with "prescribed hours were at any time." As no
existing "at any time" restriction exists on this road, the
signs erected do not support the imposition of a temporary
suspension. The signage fails to establish a lawful temporary
parking restriction as required by the Traffic Signs
Regulations. A TTRO also appears inappropriate for a partial bay
suspension.
>
> Walking forward from my vehicle, the nearest parking sign
displayed no temporary suspension notice. My vehicle was
positioned at the boundary of the alleged suspension area with
no sign ahead indicating that the vehicle was parked in a
suspended zone. Tribunal precedent requires suspension signs be
visible from the vehicle's position.
>
> The PCN should be cancelled as the alleged contravention did
not occur.
>
> If it is not cancelled, the following should be provided:
> - Date/time suspension signs were installed
> - Precise locations of all suspension signs
> - Whether my vehicle was present within the suspension area
when signs were installed
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 93395--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham - 01a, parked in restricted street - how may I see
the temporary traffic order?
DIR By: neverpaying
Date: October 8, 2025, 11:54 am
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Any thoughts on the notice period of the signs?
#Post#: 93400--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham - 01a, parked in restricted street - how may I see
the temporary traffic order?
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: October 8, 2025, 2:01 pm
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It's not a NOR(Notice of Rejection), it's a rejection of
informal reps by the recipient of the PCN.
Their response is incoherent, grammatically improper, wrong in
law and just nonsense.
No-one cares a ***k about suspended bays, this is NOT the
suspension of a parking bay - or if it is then it's the WRONG
contravention - it's the suspension of a statutory provision(a
parking place) and the substitution of a NO WAITING restriction.
No point rehearsing all the nonsense in their letter, just wait
for the NTO.
#Post#: 99146--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham - 01a, parked in restricted street - how may I see
the temporary traffic order?
DIR By: neverpaying
Date: November 21, 2025, 6:56 am
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NTO has been received now, although I am getting to it with only
a few days spare because of my change in address.
Should I more or less re-submit the argument in the
representations as part of my appeal? Or do I need to use
additional ammunition at this stage?
Thank you.
#Post#: 99173--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham - 01a, parked in restricted street - how may I see
the temporary traffic order?
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: November 21, 2025, 8:48 am
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Pl post the NTO, leave in everything except your personal
details.
Have you now notified DVLA of your change of address?
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