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PCN London Borough of Havering - 29j - wrong way on a one-way
street
DIR By: Liffey
Date: September 9, 2025, 3:14 pm
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The driver was forced to turn around in Angel Way, which is a
one-way street, when the road they were trying to go down was
blocked. Also there are only signs on one side.
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Re: PCN London Borough of Havering - 29j - wrong way on a
one-way street
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: September 9, 2025, 3:30 pm
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--- Quote from: Liffey link ---
>
> The driver was forced to turn around in Angel Way, which is a
one-way street, when the road they were trying to go down was
blocked. Also there are only signs on one side.
>
>
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Please also post a GSV link to the location, and give some more
detail surrounding the being forced to turn around and the
nature of the blockage.
#Post#: 89233--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN London Borough of Havering - 29j - wrong way on a
one-way street
DIR By: Liffey
Date: September 9, 2025, 4:20 pm
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HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/enFxWN1dAf9NWeZv6
The driver approached the road and turned right, meaning there
was no sign on that side. The road is a dead end. They had to
turn around to exit the road
#Post#: 89241--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN London Borough of Havering - 29j - wrong way on a
one-way street
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: September 9, 2025, 4:50 pm
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The video doesn't show you failing to comply with a sign as it's
facing in the other direction.
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#Post#: 89263--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN London Borough of Havering - 29j - wrong way on a
one-way street
DIR By: Liffey
Date: September 10, 2025, 12:40 am
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Does that mean there are grounds to challenge the PCN?
#Post#: 89289--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN London Borough of Havering - 29j - wrong way on a
one-way street
DIR By: RichardW
Date: September 10, 2025, 3:40 am
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Appears your GSV link is not quite in the right place - it
appears to be here:
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at the back of the car park.
Street view shows that you can drive all the way around the back
of the car park (coming out on the left in your original GSV
location) so it's not a dead end - although there may have been
some parking on the day that prevented the car driving through?
There's the blue arrow at the entrance, and then another 2
further down. No idea where that leaves you with the
contravention, however, leave that to others to advise!
#Post#: 89730--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN London Borough of Havering - 29j - wrong way on a
one-way street
DIR By: Liffey
Date: September 13, 2025, 1:56 am
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Apologies for not providing the right GSV and thanks for
correcting.
The road was blocked by construction work. There was a lorry
blocking the road and it wasn't possible to get past it
#Post#: 90281--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN London Borough of Havering - 29j - wrong way on a
one-way street
DIR By: Liffey
Date: September 16, 2025, 4:14 pm
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I requested the footage a week ago but there has been no reply.
Can I do anything about this/does it help with challenging the
PCN?
#Post#: 90283--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN London Borough of Havering - 29j - wrong way on a
one-way street
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: September 16, 2025, 4:20 pm
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--- Quote from: Liffey link ---
>
> I requested the footage a week ago but there has been no
reply. Can I do anything about this/does it help with
challenging the PCN?
>
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Their website is pants.
#Post#: 90287--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN London Borough of Havering - 29j - wrong way on a
one-way street
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: September 16, 2025, 4:47 pm
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Footage? I posted the video.
Apart from the website issue a basic fact if playing dumb is in
the appeal below - if you came in the other end you would have
breached a no entry but not a blue arrow.
Case reference
Appellant
Authority
VRM
PCN Details
PCN
Contravention date
Contravention time
Contravention location
Penalty amount
Contravention
Referral date
Decision Date
Adjudicator
Appeal decision
Direction
Reasons
one-way restriction. As with any restriction, it is incumbent on
the enforcement authority (EA) to provide signage of the
prescribed kind that is adequate to inform road users of the
restriction.
In this case, there is evidence of 'one way' signage on the
street in question, in one of the photographs provided by the
EA. The 'one way' signage faces motorists proceeding in the
correct direction on the street. There is also, it would appear
from the marked map, 'no entry' signage preventing motorists
from entering the street in the wrong direction. It is possible
that the appellant's motor vehicle passed that signage. However,
not only is there no direct evidence that the 'no entry' signage
was present and that the appellant's vehicle passed it, the PCN
was not issued for failing to comply with a 'no entry' sign.
The CCTV footage shows the appellant's vehicle pulling off from
the kerb and driving in the wrong direction on the street
specified in the PCN. There is no evidence at all, however, that
it ever passed, in the correct direction, any 'one way' signage.
Rather, precisely because it was driving in the wrong direction,
there is no evidence that the driver saw anything other than the
backs of the 'one way signs'. There is no evidence that there
was signage of the prescribed kind that was available for this
motorist to see.
I am afraid that the wrong contravention was alleged here, with
the wrong evidence. If there had been evidence that the vehicle
drove, in the correct direction, past the 'one way' signage and
then turned to drive in the opposite direction, the
contravention would have been capable of proof. Alternatively,
if there had been evidence that the vehicle drove past 'no
entry' signs then the PCN could have been issued for that
contravention.
On the evidence I am unable to find the contravention that was
actually alleged, proved.
It is with considerable regret that I have to allow this appeal
because the representations and the notice of appeal are of a
type upon which I commented in 2220387017 Uddin v. LB Redbridge.
Both documents appear to have been written in the same hand but,
quite remarkably, have totally different content and even use
different names. I have no doubt whatsoever that they are both
generic works of fiction written by the same prolific but
careless author. These 'Uddin' type representations and appeals
are a scourge and a waste of public money.
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