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#Post#: 8693--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow Box Junction - Ilford - Ley Street
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: October 29, 2023, 4:58 pm
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I agree the box markings are unlawful. They don't have to be at
the junction of two or more roads, there are other scenarios
such as outside a police, ambulance or fire station. But a
council depot doesn't count.
#Post#: 8817--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow Box Junction - Ilford - Ley Street
DIR By: syd16
Date: October 31, 2023, 9:12 am
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Thanks all, I have logged my representation using MrChips' draft
response. I have also included couple of photos of the entrance
into the depot which clearly shows no access available for
unauthorised persons. Will provide updates here once I get a
response from the council.
#Post#: 12903--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow Box Junction - Ilford - Ley Street
DIR By: syd16
Date: December 24, 2023, 10:28 am
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Hi, I received the council rejected my appeal. They believe the
YBJ does "conform to the principles of where and how this type
of junction should be marked. The sides of the box are
approximately at right angles to the flow of traffic and is
therefore compliant with the TSRGD 2016".
So they haven't specifically addressed my point about the depot
not being a publicly accessible road.
Should I further appeal it to the ETA?
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#Post#: 12909--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow Box Junction - Ilford - Ley Street
DIR By: Pastmybest
Date: December 24, 2023, 1:54 pm
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i would carry on more to say after the holiday
#Post#: 12914--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow Box Junction - Ilford - Ley Street
DIR By: Princeperch
Date: December 24, 2023, 3:33 pm
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I'd be interested to know how many council owned/operated
vehicles the council fines for this ybj. I'd wager quite a few.
Don't give in op.
#Post#: 12924--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow Box Junction - Ilford - Ley Street
DIR By: MrChips
Date: December 25, 2023, 6:09 am
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This is as close to a guaranteed win at tribunal as you can get
so I'd definitely pursue it. In fact I suspect the council will
fold before it gets there.
#Post#: 12941--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow Box Junction - Ilford - Ley Street
DIR By: d612
Date: December 25, 2023, 2:43 pm
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Maybe I'm being thick but....
Why does not provision C of the yellow box rules of 9.7.6 not
apply to make this a legal box?
ie
along a length of a two-way road (other than at a junction), the
carriageway of which is not greater than 4.5 metres wide at its
narrowest point;
#Post#: 12943--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow Box Junction - Ilford - Ley Street
DIR By: MrChips
Date: December 26, 2023, 2:51 am
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Because that carriageway is far in excess of 4.5 metres wide.
#Post#: 12956--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow Box Junction - Ilford - Ley Street
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: December 26, 2023, 6:40 am
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Clearly, the experts say it's Tribunal time.
#Post#: 13372--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow Box Junction - Ilford - Ley Street
DIR By: syd16
Date: January 6, 2024, 6:08 am
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Thanks all, I just saw the recent replies now as was waiting on
Pastmybest to return from holiday. I will further appeal and
take it to Tribunal since the fine will be the full rate now. I
have no experience in this, any suggestions on my appeal..do I
just state the same reasons as before in my appeal? Also any
tips on the tribunal process?
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