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Re: Parking Ticket With Suspended Sign Showing
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: October 29, 2023, 4:08 pm
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Please don't bloat-quote as it makes the thread unnecessarily
long.
I think the distance from your car to the sign is the strongest
point but I just need to clear up one thing: you parked, got
out, didn't see any signs, why would you believe it's a 2 hour
zone?
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Re: Parking Ticket With Suspended Sign Showing
DIR By: jeezy
Date: October 30, 2023, 4:16 am
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> Please don't bloat-quote as it makes the thread unnecessarily
long.
>
> I think the distance from your car to the sign is the
strongest point but I just need to clear up one thing: you
parked, got out, didn't see any signs, why would you believe
it's a 2 hour zone?
>
--- End Quote ---
That is correct, if you look at it from google maps, i got out
and walked to the main road behind the car thus not seeing any
signs.
I thought it was a 2 hour zone as the adjacent road has that
option on the left (newport road)
#Post#: 8811--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking Ticket With Suspended Sign Showing
DIR By: jeezy
Date: October 31, 2023, 5:38 am
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Should I put forward an appeal based on the distance from the
location of the sign?
#Post#: 8861--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking Ticket With Suspended Sign Showing
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: October 31, 2023, 6:38 pm
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Here you go:
[indent]
Dear Reading Borough Council,
I challenge liability for PCN RG26788093 on the ground that the
alleged contravention did not occur. When I parked my car I got
out and did not see any signs, I had noticed a 2 hour
restriction in an adjacent road so I assumed the restriction
would be the same.
Only after getting the PCN I found a sign some 40 yards away,
which was not visible from where I parked my car. To illustrate
the point, my car was parked where you can see the first car on
the left at LINK and as you can see, no signage is visible.
Chapter 3 of the traffic signs manual specifies at 13.21.3 that
"As bay markings denote a place where a driver might be able to
park, information about the permitted parking is required at
more frequent intervals, particularly where the bay marking does
not have any legend to indicate the type of user. All signs
should be within the extent of the bay and the first sign should
generally be no more than 15 m from the end of the bay. Where
the length of the bay is less than 30 m, a sign mounted at the
mid‑point should therefore be sufficient".
In this case the bay is well over 30 metres and from where I was
parked, the sign was simply out of sight and not visible, it
follows that the signage was not adequate within the meaning of
regulation 18 of the The Local Authorities' Traffic Orders
(Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996.
In light of the above the alleged contravention did not occur
and the PCN must be cancelled.
Yours faithfully,
[/indent]
I will PM you a link to put in the representation, it will
redirect to imgur.com/SLgMguT but if you give them the link I'll
PM you, we can use the click count to confirm whether they've
looked at it or not (obviously do not click on that link
yourself as we want the click count to remain at zero). If they
don't click on it, we can then prove they've failed to consider
all of the evidence. If they say in the rejection that they've
considered all the evidence, we've got them for lying as well.
Send the representation via the council website (do not send a
letter in the post), and keep a screenshot of the confirmation
page.
#Post#: 12063--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking Ticket With Suspended Sign Showing
DIR By: jeezy
Date: December 7, 2023, 3:08 pm
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I have now received the following response from the council
rejecting the claim
HTML https://ibb.co/KyL4nMs
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Re: Parking Ticket With Suspended Sign Showing
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: December 7, 2023, 3:16 pm
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Saves wading thriough the ads
HTML https://i.ibb.co/pXRVqtK/Whats-App-Image-2023-12-07-at-21-05-14.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/KyL4nMs
Was there another page(s)?
#Post#: 12132--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking Ticket With Suspended Sign Showing
DIR By: jeezy
Date: December 9, 2023, 11:40 am
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Yes sorry, here it is
HTML https://ibb.co/QYGXChb
#Post#: 12133--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking Ticket With Suspended Sign Showing
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: December 9, 2023, 12:26 pm
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Here you go
HTML https://i.ibb.co/F8tn0cx/Whats-App-Image-2023-12-09-at-17-39-29.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/QYGXChb
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Re: Parking Ticket With Suspended Sign Showing
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: December 12, 2023, 5:44 pm
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[member=585]jeezy[/member] I've checked and they've not opened
the link, and I have got a timestamped screenshot to prove it.
The key issue is whether they open it at the formal
representations stage, to get to that you need to wait for the
notice to owner.
#Post#: 12385--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking Ticket With Suspended Sign Showing
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: December 13, 2023, 5:21 pm
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For later when you get the NTO:
The Borough of Reading (Rivermead Zone D) (Special Parking Area)
(Waiting Restrictions and Parking Places) Consolidation Order
2006
HTML https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1weflElE5Zcnhsr1YzBM8FjmMLLbw0kFy
The Borough of Reading (Civil Enforcement Area) (Waiting
Restrictions Review A) Order 2014
HTML https://drive.google.com/uc?id=13ZotdrbJUQuwTL8iNymPVLXOvmWWvBOI
The Borough of Reading (Civil Enforcement Area) (Waiting
Restrictions Review 2017 A) Order 2018
HTML https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1SPfXQ9WOtIvLyThSMcV0cxvtJgUMA5TZ
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