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#Post#: 21191--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow Council PCN for parking half on the curb and half
on the road
DIR By: Sonu rocks
Date: May 1, 2024, 5:48 am
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Thank you!
Please can someone help on what will be the grounds of appeal?
#Post#: 21355--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow Council PCN for parking half on the curb and half
on the road
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 2, 2024, 3:04 pm
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--- Quote from: Sonu rocks link ---
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> Thank you!
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> Please can someone help on what will be the grounds of appeal?
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[member=828]Sonu rocks[/member] I have dropped you a PM
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/index.php?action=pm
in case you want to be
represented. If you'd rather go it alone just register the
appeal with "I rely on my formal representations" and make sure
to request a hearing.
#Post#: 21718--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow Council PCN for parking half on the curb and half
on the road
DIR By: Sonu rocks
Date: May 6, 2024, 5:57 pm
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Thanks. Are there any further grounds based on the rejection
letter or any other suggestions?
#Post#: 22477--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow Council PCN for parking half on the curb and half
on the road
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 14, 2024, 5:37 pm
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--- Quote from: Sonu rocks link ---
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> Thanks. Are there any further grounds based on the rejection
letter or any other suggestions?
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Well the first step is to wait and see if the council contests
the appeal, there is no reason to show your hand early. If the
council contests the case we can look at the evidence pack and
see how many holes we can pick in it.
Many people come on here with this bizarre idea that they need
to put in strong appeal, that's nonsense: showing your hand
early just gives the council an opportunity to formulate a
rebuttal in the evidence pack, you don't want to give them that
chance.
#Post#: 22686--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow Council PCN for parking half on the curb and half
on the road
DIR By: Sonu rocks
Date: May 16, 2024, 6:28 am
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Thank you.
Please elaborate on ''Well the first step is to wait and see if
the council contests the appeal''. The driver's understanding is
that
the next step is to appeal to the London Tribunal and guessing
this is the last chance the driver has to represent and after
this, there will be the judgement given by the London Tribunal.
Please correct if the driver's understanding is wrong.
#Post#: 23178--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow Council PCN for parking half on the curb and half
on the road
DIR By: Sonu rocks
Date: May 20, 2024, 8:31 am
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Hello again,
Please look at the pictures and videos below and let us know if
the representation below makes any sense.
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The council has given reason that ''parking on the footway can
cause an obstruction to pedestrians and damage to the pathway''.
Please see the pictures, the footway doesn't go anywhere and is
blocked by the parked cars (with the council's permission) so no
pedestrians will pass from there and if they have been given
permission to park on the footpath ahead (this is more dangerous
than anything as the street ahead is very narrow with parking
both sides and no space left for the pedestrian/ residents to
walk) then they too are prone to get damaged. So the given
reasons are contradictory and do not make any sense.
The Carpark opposite is open 24 hours a day and if the council
doesn't allow the parking on footway then please refer to the
1st picture where the road is blocked by the white and a black
car, and if, the current setup of the council rules in the area
is to be followed then they are not fit for purpose as this
could be dangerous for the drivers as well as the pedestrian
living in the area. the footway where the contravention happened
(allegedly) is more than double the size of the pathway ahead
(please see pictures)
That is the reason why the driver parked half on the road and
half on the pathway to allow more space for the other cars to
pass. Therefore, it is a humble request to look into this matter
cautiously and revise the traffic management order in the area
as the area needs re-inspection and reconsideration of all the
factors mention above.
#Post#: 23412--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow Council PCN for parking half on the curb and half
on the road
DIR By: Sonu rocks
Date: May 21, 2024, 10:07 am
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Hi all,
Any help would be much appreciated. the 28-day deadline is
finishing soon. Please advise if anyone has any. Thanks
#Post#: 23534--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow Council PCN for parking half on the curb and half
on the road
DIR By: Sonu rocks
Date: May 22, 2024, 8:26 am
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Please help!
#Post#: 23576--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow Council PCN for parking half on the curb and half
on the road
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: May 22, 2024, 11:20 am
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This is like a recent Barnet PCN.
See the sign at Item 14 in the Part 2 sign table:
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/7/made
(these can be seen in the parking places)
What do they mean?
As regards the regs they mean: Vehicles may be parked partially
on the verge or footway during the period indicated
BUT these are area signs i.e. they act as gateway signs and
indicate either beginning and direction of the area in which the
relief applies or, without arrows, may be used as repeater signs
within such an area.
They ARE NOT to be used in parking places which have their own
signs:
Item 3, Part 4 Sign Table:
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/4/made
So, what the hell should a driver infer from the sign
immediately behind where you were?
There aren't any 'Marked Bays' which delineate areas where the
London-wide footway parking prohibition has been disapplied.
Instead, there are parking places designated under RTRA and
partly placed on the footway. Chalk and cheese.
The idiots at the council don't know the correct traffic signs,
but what's new.
So, the parking places are marked improperly. But how could that
help you because you were not parked within a parking place?
You were parked on the footway where prima facie you were
neither permitted by virtue of a resolution nor because you were
within a parking place partly placed on the footway. For good
measure you were also on DYL.
Nothing you have put forward so far is anything but mitigation
IMO.
But you might as well appeal because the discount isn't on
offer.
I suggest 'I rely on my representations' and then wait for their
evidence pack which you would scrutinise to see how the council
has approved parking on the footway in the parking places.
#Post#: 24037--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow Council PCN for parking half on the curb and half
on the road
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 27, 2024, 11:10 am
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--- Quote from: Sonu rocks link ---
>
> Please elaborate on ''Well the first step is to wait and see
if the council contests the appeal''. The driver's understanding
is that
> the next step is to appeal to the London Tribunal and guessing
this is the last chance the driver has to represent and after
this, there will be the judgement given by the London Tribunal.
Please correct if the driver's understanding is wrong.
>
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[member=828]Sonu rocks[/member] this is completely wrong. The
next step is to register the appeal, this can be done by simply
saying "I rely on my formal representations". A hearing must be
requested (never go for a postal decision, you can change the
hearing from face to face to telephone later on), and then you
wait and see if the council contests the appeal.
If the council doesn't contest the appeal, you win by default
and that's the end of that.
If the council does contest the appeal, the burden of proof is
on the council to show that a contravention occurred (you might
have heard of the "presumption of innocence"), so at that point
we can look at the council's evidence and see how many hole we
can poke in their case. At that point the driver or their
representative can submit evidence in response.
Then there's a hearing
Then the tribunal gives judgment.
I did offer to run the tribunal appeal for you, but if you want
to do everything yourself you'll have to do most of the heavy
lifting yourself.
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