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Hounslow Council PCN for parking half on the curb and half on
the road
DIR By: Sonu rocks
Date: October 26, 2023, 3:15 am
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Hi,
Was given pcn for parking half on the curb and half on the road.
But the sign ahead said so (please see photos of the street).
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#Post#: 8421--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow Council PCN for parking half on the curb and half
on the road
DIR By: Sonu rocks
Date: October 26, 2023, 3:16 am
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It is a narrow street please click on the below.
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4672093,-0....i8192?entry=ttu
The car was parked not very far from the sign where it says
'Parked in the marked bays' which means half on the curb and
half on the road. This is due to lack of space on a narrow
street.
The car was parked after the opertional hours of double yellow.
Also, If the car was parked normally then it could have obstruct
the vehicle coming from oppsite underground parking.
Do I have any other grounds of appeal?
#Post#: 8424--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow Council PCN for parking half on the curb and half
on the road
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: October 26, 2023, 3:48 am
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(You copied across a broken link from PPP.)
I could find no Double Yellow lines, only single, governed by
this sign
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From your photo
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it would appear that since GSV the SYL has ben turned ibto DYL
but no one has removed the sign.
DYL operate 24/7
Pavement marked bays are governed by this sign
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Your PCN
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is for footpath parking, which this CEO photo shows
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In it, you are parked on the yellow line before the footpath
permitted parking begins at the signpost.
You will need the TRO for Upton Road disallowing the ban on
footway parking. It may be that they have disallowed the ban for
the whole road, rather than the marked stretch, in which case
you are in the clear.
#Post#: 8426--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow Council PCN for parking half on the curb and half
on the road
DIR By: DancingDad
Date: October 26, 2023, 4:04 am
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Shame that the CEO didn't go for the DYL restriction, that would
be easier to argue given the left over timed restriction sign.
As it is, that the footway parking sign specifies in marked bays
and you weren't in one, lots more difficult.
As John says, there will/should be a resolution that disallows
the footway parking ban (general across London) and specifies
where you can park on footway.
Given the sign, I suspect that it will specify in marked bays
but where those bays should be and whether the council can
actually come up with it is another question.
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Re: Hounslow Council PCN for parking half on the curb and half
on the road
DIR By: mickR
Date: October 26, 2023, 4:40 am
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in your PPP thread you mentioned not wanting to hinder access to
the underground car park opposite. unfortunately that argument
is an irrelevance. that's certainly why the DYLs have been
installed.
#Post#: 8473--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow Council PCN for parking half on the curb and half
on the road
DIR By: Sonu rocks
Date: October 26, 2023, 11:56 am
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What is TRO and how/where can it be found?
What else could be the grounds of appeal?
#Post#: 8623--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow Council PCN for parking half on the curb and half
on the road
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: October 29, 2023, 5:03 am
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With respect and I understand where the comment came from but
IMO the TRO(TMO in London) is not applicable.
The footway parking prohibition may be disapplied by an 'Act,
order or resolution'. A TMO would create waiting restrictions
e.g. DYL etc. or parking places. 'Marked bays' in the context of
the footway parking signs are not parking places. If a council
wants to allow parking on the footway then it may create parking
places wholly or partly on the footway(for which there are
specific traffic signs) or pass a resolution to permit parking
on the footway, again wholly or partly. But a TMO should not
permit parking on the footway where there isn't a parking
restriction and obviously cannot for a waiting restriction
because this in itself prohibits waiting whether on the footway
or not, and I don't think that this is within its scope under
RTRA.
So, IMO you should be requesting the 'order or resolution'
passed by the council which disapplies the provisions of the
1974 Act in ** Road.
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Re: Hounslow Council PCN for parking half on the curb and half
on the road
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: October 29, 2023, 2:42 pm
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--- Quote from: Sonu rocks link ---
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> What is TRO and how/where can it be found?
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I've requested the footway parking resolution, as HCA says the
TMO is largely irrelevant in footway parking cases. In the
meantime you should make a plea for discretion on 9 November to
buy as much time as possible. It could take till the end of
November for me to get a response from the council. Is there any
meaningful mitigation you could put forwards?
#Post#: 8727--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow Council PCN for parking half on the curb and half
on the road
DIR By: Sonu rocks
Date: October 30, 2023, 8:06 am
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Sorry but I am completely lost here. Please help me as to what
should be written to the Council.
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Re: Hounslow Council PCN for parking half on the curb and half
on the road
DIR By: Sonu rocks
Date: October 31, 2023, 4:25 am
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Thank you all.
What is the full form of IMO please?
What could be meaningful mitigation that council will consider
please?
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