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London Borough of Redbridge code 31j
DIR By: Hashim
Date: September 5, 2025, 5:57 am
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Good morning.
This came through today which shows the driver entering and
stopping in the junction box.
I've seen the footage which does not show the traffic lights
being green at the time of the alleged offence and the vehicle
in front did not move causing the driver to stop in the box.
Is there a successful appeal here.
Thanks in advance once again.
HTML https://imgur.com/a/RPpiTHV
Ps. Its not allowing ne to attach the documents.
Hashim
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Re: London Borough of Redbridge code 31j
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: September 5, 2025, 6:07 am
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This is a council PCN so I have moved this post to the Civil
penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on)
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/<br
/>forum.
To help the users there provide you with the best advice, please
read the following thread carefully and provide as much of the
information it requests as you are able to: READ THIS FIRST -
**BEFORE POSTING YOUR CASE!**, This section is for council, TFL,
Dart/Mersey/Tyne etc. cases
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/<br
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Re: London Borough of Redbridge code 31j
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: September 6, 2025, 3:23 pm
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I make this collateral challenge against the validity of the PCN
as it is missing
mandatory information as provided at Para. 4 (8 ) (v) of
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/section/4/enacted
(v)that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the
28 day period, an
increased charge may be payable.
Clearly, this refers to Para. 4 (8 ) (iii):
(iii)that the penalty charge must be paid before the end of the
period of 28 days
beginning with the date of the notice;
Therefore, it follows that the statement: "If you fail to pay
the Penalty Charge or make
representations before the end of a period of 28 days beginning
with the date of service
of this notice an increased charge of £240 may be payable” adds
to the lack of clarity by
its omission. Even on its own, whether the required information
was included or not, it is
also arguable that it conflates the two periods using the word
"or" which many would
view as being conjunctive. Furthermore, even if the statement
were to be interpreted
disjunctively, there is still no clarity due to the missing
information. So, it follows that it
cannot possibly be interpreted disjunctively.
Please cancel therefore.
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Re: London Borough of Redbridge code 31j
DIR By: Hashim
Date: September 7, 2025, 10:28 am
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Thank you.
I shall put this forward.
Thanks
Hashim
#Post#: 91984--------------------------------------------------
Re: London Borough of Redbridge code 31j
DIR By: Hashim
Date: September 29, 2025, 7:44 am
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Good afternoon
I have received The Notice of Rejection of representation.
Please see
HTML https://imgur.com/a/DRdfqKa
What's next please.....
Thanks
Hashim
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Re: London Borough of Redbridge code 31j
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 29, 2025, 1:23 pm
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What a load of tosh their letter is. The contravention of
stopping in a box junction is only made out, if the vehicle
stops in the box due to the presence of stationary vehicles. A
stop for anything else is not a contravention. The Highway Code
guff on YBJs is a gross simplification, and is also not law.
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Re: London Borough of Redbridge code 31j
DIR By: Hashim
Date: September 29, 2025, 1:42 pm
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so what's the play now...
#Post#: 92084--------------------------------------------------
Re: London Borough of Redbridge code 31j
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 29, 2025, 2:16 pm
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Having looked at the video, it shows a clear contravention. You
followed a car in front with no hesitation, and there was not
sufficient space to take the whole of your vehicle, so the rear
wheels stay in the box for over 7 seconds when the video stops,
and your car is still in the box then.
So it is something of a gamble, if you want to take them to
London Tribunals on Hippocrates suggested "technical" appeal.
Technical appeals are not related to the contravention in any
way, but on council mismanagement of the enforcement process.
Of course it may well win, so I suggest you PM Hippocrates to
ask what the odds of success are. Appeals like this have won in
the past. Of course the full PCN penalty will be in play if you
go to London Tribunals.
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Re: London Borough of Redbridge code 31j
DIR By: Hashim
Date: October 1, 2025, 4:38 am
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Hippocrates
I am unable to send you the thread privately (not tech Savvy) so
i am posting here.
The Council refused the initial appeal.
Based on your expertise is it worth taking it to the Tribunal
based on technicality as oppose to the actual offence.
Thanks
Hashim
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