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#Post#: 88271--------------------------------------------------
Any grounds to Appeal an NIP on M1 temporary/variable speed limi
t?
By: Albamc Date: September 3, 2025, 10:05 am
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Hello there,
I was driving south from Leicester towards London on the M1 at
23:11 on 1st Sept. There had been roadworks and a lowered
temporary speed limit of both 40 and 50. I had passed these (or
so I thought) some time before. Rather importantly (I suspect) I
had not seen a National Speed Limit Sign, but as the roadworks
were some way behind me and the four lanes were completely free
of anything but tarmac and other cars, I assumed we were back to
70 mph. I knew I was approaching a camera, (bewteen J15 & J 14,)
but kept on going at 70, so was rather surprised when the camera
flashed. A good couple of miles further on, more temporary speed
limits appeared on the gantries for 50 mph.
I was (understandably, I hope) annoyed, especially as it wasn't
a lack of concentration, but clearly an honest mistake, but I am
fully aware that has no bearing in law. I suspected I didn't
really have any excuse and that I was going to be done for 70 in
a 50, or even worse, a 40. A couple of miles later, temporary
speeding limit signs for 50 mph reappeared, and some minor
roadworks, so I assumed that was that.
However, the NIP came through today, and I was caught doing 70
in a 60 (Exceed a variable speed limit'.) Whilst I realise my
case may not have got any stronger, I am certain I saw no 60 mph
signs before the camera - and there was certainly nothing on the
gantry the camera was on. Hence my surprise at being flashed,
and my subsequent surprise at the limit being 60.
I was wondering if anyone thought I had any chance of appealing
a ticket for a lack of signage around the 60 mph limit and if
there was any law for how close a sign must be to a camera to
make it valid?
I could complain about an unnecessary speed limit on a
completely clear stretch of four lane motorway but I know that
is pointless and would rightly get short shrift here. But I
wondered if anyone thought I had any right to ask for further
information or appeal?
Many thanks
Alistair
#Post#: 88272--------------------------------------------------
Re: Any grounds to Appeal an NIP on M1 temporary/variable speed
limit?
By: 666 Date: September 3, 2025, 10:24 am
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You can ask for any photos "to help identify the driver" (do not
ask for "evidence"). They will normally supply photos, including
one showing your car passing the gantry with the limit
displayed.
You can not "appeal" a NIP: it is merely a notice. After you've
named the driver, you should get the offer of a course (if you
qualify) or a Fixed Penalty. If you want to fight it, you have
to ignore those offers, and eventually you will have your day in
court. Probably a very expensive one.
#Post#: 88291--------------------------------------------------
Re: Any grounds to Appeal an NIP on M1 temporary/variable speed
limit?
By: Albamc Date: September 3, 2025, 2:26 pm
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Thank you. I have gone to the Northants site and checked the
photos. I'm (still!) slighty annoyed as I'm convinced I looked
up, I knew there was a speed camera, and even I'm not stupid
enough to fly through a camera ten miles over the limit and
think that would be ok.
Unfortunately it would appear I am. There is a photo of the 60
limit, and the only conclusion is I somehow did not see it. On
the plus side, I just worked out it is more than two years since
my last speed awareness course, so hopefully I can avoid the
points. But whichever way, I shall have to wear it.
Thanks for your help and saving me an over-confident and, as you
say, rather expensive day in court.
Regards
Alistair
#Post#: 88294--------------------------------------------------
Re: Any grounds to Appeal an NIP on M1 temporary/variable speed
limit?
By: FuzzyDuck Date: September 3, 2025, 2:39 pm
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[quote author=Albamc link=topic=7899.msg88291#msg88291
date=1756927617]I just worked out it is more than two years
since my last speed awareness course, so hopefully I can avoid
the points.
[/quote]
Which is no good unless it is more than 3 years since the last
offence for which an awareness course was done.
#Post#: 88297--------------------------------------------------
Re: Any grounds to Appeal an NIP on M1 temporary/variable speed
limit?
By: Albamc Date: September 3, 2025, 2:47 pm
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Ah. Bugger.
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