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#Post#: 88242--------------------------------------------------
PCN contravention code 21r
DIR By: Mooks
Date: September 3, 2025, 6:43 am
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Hi there, new to this forum and hope I'm posting correctly.
It is a question really. Does the bay begin from the point a
which the yellow parking suspension sign is placed? I ask
because I received a PCN because I parked in an area where the
sign said outside numbers 98 to 102. I took that to mean house
number, so parked outside number 96. I did challenge and
explained where I had parked but got a response relevant para
below from L Simmons.
"The Civil Enforcement Officer (CEO) observed your vehicle
parked in a bay suspended for Domestic Removal. You have stated
you parked outside of number 96, however, I have referred to the
CEO’s notes that record your vehicle was parked a reasonable
distance from a time plate that had the suspension details
stated on a large yellow sign. This bay was suspended from
Maygrove Road Bay Type; Permit Holders Only Location: Outside 98
to 102 from 08:30 to 18:30 from the 14/08/2025 to 14/08/2025."
No idea what 'a reasonable distance from a time plate' means.
Can anyone explain what the above means please?
#Post#: 88245--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN contravention code 21r
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: September 3, 2025, 7:04 am
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Post the PCN, your challenge and their full rejection blanking
only name and address.
It sounds like they are trying it on but we need to see things.
#Post#: 88269--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN contravention code 21r
DIR By: Mooks
Date: September 3, 2025, 9:28 am
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The Council in their rejection letter sent pictures of my card
and the sign (attached). Annoyingly, I took a picture of the
house which my car was parked in front of but failed to frame it
so that the door number and car were in the same shot so have
not shared that.
HTML https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/8237/5Gi15f.jpg
HTML https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5879/i95dIr.jpg
HTML https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/3672/dGRiZc.jpg
#Post#: 88284--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN contravention code 21r
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: September 3, 2025, 11:59 am
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Please follow Stamfordman's advice and post copies of the
documents here, only redacting yr name & address - leave all
else in. Please also post a GSV link to the location of the car
at the time.
For guidance on posting images see
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
#Post#: 88287--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN contravention code 21r
DIR By: Mooks
Date: September 3, 2025, 12:49 pm
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Attached is the pdf (3pages) with the pictures posted by the
council. I hope this adheres to the guidance.
HTML https://imgur.com/XwIYYOZ
HTML https://imgur.com/k0ewfZL
HTML https://imgur.com/OVIAm0B
Link to street view google maps
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/fvqGBW31WSMuS49P8
#Post#: 88296--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN contravention code 21r
DIR By: catnip
Date: September 3, 2025, 2:44 pm
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You'll need to post better resolution images, these are
unreadable. Also post the PCN as well.
#Post#: 88362--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN contravention code 21r
DIR By: Mooks
Date: September 4, 2025, 6:23 am
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Actually cannot post better images as I used the suggested free
file sharing platform which is not great and I cannot upload a
pdf directly here. Feeling a bit inept.
Please, to save badgering again, could someone clarify whether a
parking suspension begins from where the sign is posted rather
than the house numbers or bays detailed on them? If it is, then
this tells me I should not further challenge the PCN.
Many thanks.
#Post#: 88371--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN contravention code 21r
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: September 4, 2025, 6:40 am
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What are the PCN number and car VRM.
We can't read the rejection as you've posted minute pics of it.
#Post#: 88376--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN contravention code 21r
DIR By: ManxTom
Date: September 4, 2025, 6:50 am
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--- Quote from: Mooks link ---
>
> ... If it is, then this tells me I should not further
challenge the PCN.
>
> Many thanks.
>
--- End Quote ---
Actually there might be a number of different reasons that would
allow you to challenge the PCN. That's why they want to read
all the documents to see if other reasons might invalidate the
PCN.
If you give the vehicle registration number and PCN number they
can be checked.
#Post#: 88380--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN contravention code 21r
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: September 4, 2025, 7:21 am
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--- Quote from: Mooks link ---
>
> Actually cannot post better images as I used the suggested
free file sharing platform which is not great and I cannot
upload a pdf directly here. Feeling a bit inept.
>
> . . .
>
> Many thanks.
>
--- End Quote ---
Don't feel inept. We've all struggled with uploading at some
point. Hope this may help:
The easiest way to upload docs here (unless you have no mobile
phone camera) is to use yr phone to photo each page of each
doc, redacting yr name & address where it occurs, and uploading
the images to an external site like
HTML https://ibb.co/
or imgur
and copy and post the BBCodes here. I use ibb with no probs.
(Scroll down past the image to see the BBCode.)
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