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#Post#: 8359--------------------------------------------------
Lewisham - 53 j - vehicles entering a pedestrian zone
DIR By: Slin345
Date: October 25, 2023, 11:05 am
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Hey everyone.
Was working in unfamiliar area around a week and a bit ago and
took a left into a School Street and it was already too late
when I realised - stopped right after the sign and waited until
restriction time ended but to no suprise PCN came anyway.
There is no warning sign prior to the restricted road when
coming from the side where it would be a left turn (Although in
8 month old GSV photos there is a blue warning sign it is no
longer there as I went yesterday just to double check). Coming
from that side the junction/restriction signs are obscured by
low trees.
There is only couple of days left for discounted fine option and
I don't know if I have any grounds to an appeal or just pay up
and be done with it.
Would've posted earlier but only got a chance to drive through
that area again yesterday to double check if there was any
warning signs coming from that side.
Link to PCN photos and images I took on that same day of the
junction -
HTML https://www.flickr.com/photos/76809520@N02
GSV link -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/oTaNkBrc662e2EWB8
Thank You for your advice.
#Post#: 8398--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lewisham - 53 j - vehicles entering a pedestrian zone
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 25, 2023, 3:47 pm
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I think you need to renew the links in your post as they don't
seem to work.
#Post#: 8412--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lewisham - 53 j - vehicles entering a pedestrian zone
DIR By: Slin345
Date: October 25, 2023, 11:03 pm
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My apologies - I have now edited original post with updated
links.
#Post#: 8562--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lewisham - 53 j - vehicles entering a pedestrian zone
DIR By: Slin345
Date: October 28, 2023, 1:03 am
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Bump
#Post#: 8565--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lewisham - 53 j - vehicles entering a pedestrian zone
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 28, 2023, 4:09 am
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--- Quote from: Slin345 link ---
>
> Bump
>
--- End Quote ---
We are a busy lot, y'know, as all advice is pro bono, and people
have other jobs to do.
Anyway, here are the advance warning sign on GSV Feb 2023. Is
that still there ?
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/yAakKypMyZyNaCsR6
and also in the other direction
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/pdd2pViKJRX4DZzW6
Here's the entrance with its signs
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/JexReGFLn81jZT1R7
Are you now past the discount period now ?
For me the signs are clear, so the discount looks your best
option, but we haven't seen the video, which is their sole
evidence. YOu could go to London Tribunals if you did, indeed
stop just beyond the signs having realised your mistake, on a de
minimis basis.
#Post#: 8575--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lewisham - 53 j - vehicles entering a pedestrian zone
DIR By: Slin345
Date: October 28, 2023, 7:57 am
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Understandable about you guys being busy and yes I'm past my
discount period - I think I was still okay yesterday but
completely forgot about it.
Advance warning signs from your first link - coming from that
side there actually two warning signs prior to the road and the
entrance to the road is easily visible.
Although I was coming from the opposite side - where the sign
from your second link should be - it is no longer there and
there is no other warning signs coming from that side in the
whole Burnt Ash Road. Coming from that side the School Street
signs are blocked by low trees - see the pictures in my original
post.
Apologies for bumping the thread earlier and thank you very much
for your advice.
EDIT: Actually according to the letter I've got I should be
outside discount period but when going to Lewisham Council
website to check their evidence it says I still have time until
31st of October to pay the discounted amount.
Here is the video from Lewisham Council -
HTML https://www.flickr.com/photos/76809520@N02/53292156534/in/dateposted-public/
#Post#: 8583--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lewisham - 53 j - vehicles entering a pedestrian zone
DIR By: Pastmybest
Date: October 28, 2023, 11:24 am
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The PCN is flawed in that it mis states the date by which
representations must be made and the date when they may serve a
CC so if you have missed the discount do not pay, regardless the
contravention these reasons have a vey good chance of winning
#Post#: 8588--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lewisham - 53 j - vehicles entering a pedestrian zone
DIR By: taffer87
Date: October 28, 2023, 1:35 pm
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--- Quote from: Slin345 link ---
>
> Understandable about you guys being busy and yes I'm past my
discount period - I think I was still okay yesterday but
completely forgot about it.
>
> Advance warning signs from your first link - coming from that
side there actually two warning signs prior to the road and the
entrance to the road is easily visible.
>
> Although I was coming from the opposite side - where the sign
from your second link should be - it is no longer there and
there is no other warning signs coming from that side in the
whole Burnt Ash Road. Coming from that side the School Street
signs are blocked by low trees - see the pictures in my original
post.
>
> Apologies for bumping the thread earlier and thank you very
much for your advice.
>
> EDIT: Actually according to the letter I've got I should be
outside discount period but when going to Lewisham Council
website to check their evidence it says I still have time until
31st of October to pay the discounted amount.
>
> Here is the video from Lewisham Council -
HTML https://www.flickr.com/photos/76809520@N02/53292156534/in/dateposted-public/
>
--- End Quote ---
these signs are normally folded and removed during school
holidays
#Post#: 8663--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lewisham - 53 j - vehicles entering a pedestrian zone
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: October 29, 2023, 11:15 am
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Draft reps:
[indent]
Dear London Borough of Lewisham,
I challenge liability for PCN ZY06516373 on the grounds that the
penalty demanded exceeds the amount due in the circumstances of
the case. In this instance the penalty charge wrongly asserts
that a charge certificate may be issued after 28 days from the
date of the notice, rather than 28 days from the date of service
of the notice (as it should).
I draw your attention to the decision in Robert Atlas v London
Borough of Barnet (2170053479, 24 April 2017), which
comprehensively deals with this point, and was recently followed
in Edmundson Electrical Ltd v City of London (2220061290, 07
March 2022) and Goode Durrant Administration Ltd v City of
London (2230004045, 01 February 2023).
In light of the above the penalty charge must be cancelled.
Yours faithfully,
[/indent]
Send the representations online and get a screenshot of the
confirmation screen. Don't worry about the discount, you will
almost certainly have to appeal to the tribunal but we will help
with that. And you will almost certainly prevail in the end.
#Post#: 10110--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lewisham - 53 j - vehicles entering a pedestrian zone
DIR By: Slin345
Date: November 13, 2023, 3:41 pm
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Hello again. Small update - Received Letter Of Rejection last
week most likely but only got that passed to me this evening.
Posting links to photos of the letter below:
HTML https://www.flickr.com/photos/76809520@N02/53330673364/
HTML https://www.flickr.com/photos/76809520@N02/53329460942/
HTML https://www.flickr.com/photos/76809520@N02/53330338791/
How should I proceed next ?
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