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#Post#: 87923--------------------------------------------------
PCN parking on a red route
DIR By: Korting
Date: August 31, 2025, 4:31 pm
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TFL have accused me of parking on a red route however I want to
challange this
There are no markings on the road indicating that it is a red
route. A few yards up there are boxes marked with dotted white
lines, there are no restriction signs.
There are no signs to suggest you can only park in marked boxes.
The part that I was parked in was not part of the main
carriageway
Picture 3 looks like it was taken by a fixed camera and not by
the CEO. That camera is across the road and the sign cannot be
seen from the main carriageway, ie if you were travelling along
the A4 Great west road.
The orginal pictures are taken with the camera at right angles,
I have the original pictures, but for the sake of clarity have
rotated them.
HTML https://imgur.com/a/FdrAYYC
HTML https://imgur.com/a/CE8LP1U
HTML https://imgur.com/a/aTKYzoQ
HTML https://imgur.com/a/k3vHXbx
HTML https://imgur.com/a/9Uqzmip
Any help will be gratefuly received and faithfully applied
#Post#: 87926--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN parking on a red route
DIR By: mrmustard
Date: August 31, 2025, 4:55 pm
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It is a clearway and therefore lines are not required. You also
appear to be on the footway which is a contravention
#Post#: 87927--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN parking on a red route
DIR By: Korting
Date: August 31, 2025, 5:14 pm
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I was not parked on the footway. That 'path' is for car
parking, the pavement is between that stretch of road and the
houses. A few yards up on that very path is legitimate parking
bays. If you look at the last picture you can see cars parked
on that part of the road.
#Post#: 87936--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN parking on a red route
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: September 1, 2025, 2:41 am
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GSV pl.
As it stands, it's a 24/7 'clearway' which applies to the
footway and carriageway and markings are not required.
If this applies, what's your defence or did you simply
misunderstand/not see the signs. If the latter, we need to see
their siting.
#Post#: 87964--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN parking on a red route
DIR By: Korting
Date: September 1, 2025, 5:50 am
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It is roughly behind the black car, but that image is old, there
are markings on that part of the carriageway.
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4794989,-0.3609633,3a,75y,18.12h,77.67t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s8kxIlXz41gi0ulDPhVNTBA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D12.32648278227353%26panoid%3D8kxIlXz41gi0ulDPhVNTBA%26yaw%3D18.123542808989576!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDgyNS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
I parked behind a car there are no signs to say that you have to
park within a box
#Post#: 88196--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN parking on a red route
DIR By: Korting
Date: September 3, 2025, 4:03 am
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Can someone please help me with this?
I've just won another case which is on a red route this one
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/tfl-stopping-on-a-red-route/
Should I just put in a one liner appeal as per the case
mentioned above?
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Re: PCN parking on a red route
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: September 3, 2025, 4:08 am
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Should I just put in a one liner appeal as per the case
mentioned above?
No. You're not at 'appeal', you're at the reps stage and what
you're referring to is prospective procedural c**k-ups by the
authority.
#Post#: 88264--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN parking on a red route
DIR By: Korting
Date: September 3, 2025, 8:21 am
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How does this look;
The Contravention didn’t occur.
Please consider this as my informal representations regarding
this PCN.
The car was not parked on the carriageway of the red route. I
consider that the red route refers to the 3 lane carriageway and
not that part of the carriageway which is separated from the
main carriageway and has boxes marked out for car parking.
Furthermore there are no signs to state that parking is only
allowed in marked spaces.
There are no markings or red lines on that part of the
carriageway, whereas after Osterley Station, with the same
carriageway layout as where the car was parked and approx ½ mile
away, the road is marked as a red route with red lines, boxes
and signs.
Because of the above I consider that the contravention did not
occur and that the PCN must be cancelled.
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Re: PCN parking on a red route
DIR By: Korting
Date: September 4, 2025, 9:06 am
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Can someone please advise?
#Post#: 88705--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN parking on a red route
DIR By: Korting
Date: September 6, 2025, 3:07 pm
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[quote=]
The Contravention didn’t occur.
Please consider this as my informal representations regarding
this PCN.
The car was not parked on the carriageway of the red route. I
consider that the red route refers to the 3 lane carriageway and
not that part of the carriageway which is separated from the
main carriageway and has boxes marked out for car parking.
Furthermore there are no signs to state that parking is only
allowed in marked spaces.
There are no markings or red lines on that part of the
carriageway, whereas after Osterley Station, with the same
carriageway layout as where the car was parked and approx ½ mile
away, the road is marked as a red route with red lines, boxes
and signs.
Because of the above I consider that the contravention did not
occur and that the PCN must be cancelled.
[/quote]
Can someone please look at this and tell me if my informal reps
are okay.
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