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#Post#: 87780--------------------------------------------------
Parsons Mead/Gardeners Road, Croydon - 52J - failing to comply
with a prohibition on certain types of vehicles.
DIR By: square bear
Date: August 30, 2025, 4:43 am
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Hello
Yesterday, I received this PCN.
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The driver passed the sign for the prohibited area and realising
the mistake stopped around 10m after the sign but before the
camera position. The driver reversed and turned back.
However, it was noted the the sign leading up to this read that
it was 300 yards before entering the restricted area but the
distance only seems 150-200 yards. The driver lives 100 miles
away from Croydon and therefore cannot confirm this. Would this
error matter?
The images on the PCN are very dark and don't show the
registration plate, does this matter, too?
I'm not sure how to view the video they say they have.
How do I view the video for this, please?
Many thanks
#Post#: 87790--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parsons Mead/Gardeners Road, Croydon - 52J - failing to
comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicles.
DIR By: RichardW
Date: August 30, 2025, 7:37 am
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It will tell you on the form how to view the evidence /
challenge the PCN. Video shows the car turning round and then
driving back through the restriction.
Street view shows a sign that says 170 yds, which seems about
right, and the signs are clearly visible at the restriction, so
I doubt there is any hope on the contravention. Post the back
of the PCN, there might be a technical appeal. An appeal on the
basis of you complied with the spirit of the restriction might
work, but most councils are cash strapped and hard nosed these
days!
#Post#: 87798--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parsons Mead/Gardeners Road, Croydon - 52J - failing to
comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicles.
DIR By: square bear
Date: August 30, 2025, 8:18 am
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Thanks for your reply Richard W.
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#Post#: 88116--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parsons Mead/Gardeners Road, Croydon - 52J - failing to
comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicles.
DIR By: square bear
Date: September 2, 2025, 11:02 am
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Hello
Is there any further help on this one, for me, please?
#Post#: 88154--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parsons Mead/Gardeners Road, Croydon - 52J - failing to
comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicles.
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: September 2, 2025, 2:17 pm
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Yes. The PCN does not contain mandatory information.
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg86653/#msg86653
Sit down, put your thinking cap on and digest.
#Post#: 88736--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parsons Mead/Gardeners Road, Croydon - 52J - failing to
comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicles.
DIR By: square bear
Date: September 7, 2025, 3:26 am
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Thank you for your reply and links Hippocrates.
When I make my appeal, I simply use use your challenge
statement and to include the Legislation link, as well?
I need not add anything else other than the references on the
PCN?
Sorry to ask this, I'm just not sure.
#Post#: 89402--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parsons Mead/Gardeners Road, Croydon - 52J - failing to
comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicles.
DIR By: square bear
Date: September 10, 2025, 1:10 pm
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Hippocrates, can you or someone confirm my last post, please?
#Post#: 93391--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parsons Mead/Gardeners Road, Croydon - 52J - failing to
comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicles.
DIR By: square bear
Date: October 8, 2025, 11:12 am
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Hello all,
Following my request for help, I simply copied and pasted the
link provided by Hippocrates.
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I make this collateral challenge against the validity of the PCN
as it is missing mandatory information as provided at Para. 4 (8
) (v) of
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/section/4/enacted
(v)that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the
28 day period, an increased
charge may be payable.
Clearly, this refers to Para. 4 (8 ) (iii):
(iii)that the penalty charge must be paid before the end of the
period of 28 days beginning
with the date of the notice;
Therefore, it follows that the statement: "If you fail to pay
the Penalty Charge or make representations before the end of a
period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this
notice an increased charge of £240 may be payable” adds to the
lack of clarity by its omission. Even on its own, whether the
required information was included or not, it is also arguable
that it conflates the two periods using the word "or" which many
would view as being conjunctive. Furthermore, even if the
statement were to be interpreted disjunctively, there is still
no clarity due to the missing information. So, it follows that
it cannot possibly be interpreted disjunctively.
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I have had a reply from Croydon Council.
'I note that your grounds for representations/objections are not
stated. Until it is clear why you are making representations, I
am unable to deal with this matter.
Please forward your grounds for representations in writing
within the next 10 days so that the matter can be dealt with.'
I must have missed something here. How do I respond to this,
please?
Many thanks.
#Post#: 93509--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parsons Mead/Gardeners Road, Croydon - 52J - failing to
comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicles.
DIR By: square bear
Date: October 9, 2025, 11:18 am
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Hello
Can someone reply to this, please?
I'm not sure how to respond to them.
Many thanks
#Post#: 93795--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parsons Mead/Gardeners Road, Croydon - 52J - failing to
comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicles.
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: October 12, 2025, 5:43 am
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Contravention did not occur.
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