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#Post#: 87260--------------------------------------------------
Royal Borough of Greenwich PCN, Code 01 Parked in a restricted
street, Gallions Road
DIR By: IC3GB
Date: August 26, 2025, 8:02 am
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Hi All,
As previously mentioned my wife received a PCN which wasn't
challenged during the reduced 14 day period, when the Notice to
Owner arrived I drafted a representation and sent to Greenwich
prior to me know of this site.
The particulars of the representation and the rejection letter,
along with images and a video are attached for perusal and
comment.
CPZ entry sign not visible from the highway
HTML https://imgur.com/a/fizSbub
Entering CPZ from Peartree Lane Roundabout
HTML https://imgur.com/Oqv3kM6
Thanks in advance.
#Post#: 87263--------------------------------------------------
Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich PCN, Code 01 Parked in a
restricted street, Gallions Road
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: August 26, 2025, 8:26 am
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Whebn the GSV van passed by in June the sign was visible :(
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/uYkkpujrwjeaYeXn7
Could you post a GSV link to the parking spot, please.
#Post#: 87267--------------------------------------------------
Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich PCN, Code 01 Parked in a
restricted street, Gallions Road
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 26, 2025, 8:34 am
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> As previously mentioned
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If you have already started a thread, please get this
transferred to that thread, as it's confusing to have two
threads for the one PCN
#Post#: 87268--------------------------------------------------
Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich PCN, Code 01 Parked in a
restricted street, Gallions Road
DIR By: IC3GB
Date: August 26, 2025, 8:42 am
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Hi [member=12]Incandescent[/member]
I mentioned in my other thread relating to a YBJ that I would be
starting this thread.
GSV opposite Lockington Appartments
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/place/Lockington+Apartments/@51.4879141,0.0289231,18.58z/data=!4m15!1m8!3m7!1s0x47d8a8414aca5369:0x905a037ed4d0867e!2sGallions+Rd,+London!3b1!8m2!3d51.4888198!4d0.0280916!16s%2Fg%2F1tgfvx3f!3m5!1s0x47d8a90002bc44b3:0x193cd2035f2a986!8m2!3d51.4877577!4d0.0286785!16s%2Fg%2F11xdg559b5?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDgyNC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
#Post#: 87272--------------------------------------------------
Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich PCN, Code 01 Parked in a
restricted street, Gallions Road
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: August 26, 2025, 9:01 am
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HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/D84cycNfgNFg5xN6A
Did single yellow lines everywhere not arouse suspicion when
parking?
#Post#: 87285--------------------------------------------------
Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich PCN, Code 01 Parked in a
restricted street, Gallions Road
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: August 26, 2025, 10:20 am
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OP, just set out the facts pl, they seem pretty straightforward.
I parked at ***** Gallions Road;
My approach to the location was via Peartree Way(northbound),
then east along Bugsby's Way and south along Gallions;
I did not see any CPZ signs along this route;
The authority's claim in the NOR is:
You were parked in a controlled parking zone (CPZ) where loading
and waiting restrictions are in place. Entry signs into the CPZ
explain the restriction on driving, parking, loading and
unloading inside the zone.
You have questioned the validity/position etc. of the signs
which related to the controlled parking zone.
These have been checked and we believe that they are correct in
line with the regulations and adequately placed for the purpose
of enforcement.
While we have noted all you have said, this Council believes
that the location is adequately lined and signed to alert
motorists to the restriction.
There is NO objective evidence in the NOR nor on their website
as to the location of these signs which, according to them,
indicate 'waiting and loading restrictions inside the zone';
The objective evidence (GSV dated '2 months ago') is a pair of
CPZ signs -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/gNUbmSW8kU49c7SdA
- situated
on a ** mph dual carriageway. Using a clock face (with the
signs' respective supports representing 12 and 6), the nearside
sign is orientated approx. 10-4, but this is trumped by the
offside sign which, as can be seen by the shadow cast on the
associated plate, is set at 9 and 3 i.e. parallel to the *** mph
dual carriageway.
Neither is clearly visible to drivers on the *** mph dual
carriageway and neither refers to loading restrictions nor are
any such markings placed within the zone, notwithstanding the
authority's statement. I accept that the authority may have used
this phrase generically, however, proper consideration of
representations demands specifics, not generalities, based upon
a thorough examination of the evidence.
I submit that, when set against the facts, the authority's
response reflects a superficial investigation made without any
attempt to examine the central issue, namely the condition and
visibility of the signs in question which I assert were
unreadable and did not meet the council's regulatory duty in
this regard and I respectfully submit that my appeal should
therefore be allowed.
I have also noted deficiencies in the NOR which I submit amount
to procedural improprieties, namely the NOR does not:
'describe the form and manner in which an appeal to an
adjudicator must be made, because it fails to advise of the
adjudicator's power to register an appeal beyond the 28-day
period (Appeal Regs. 6(6)(a)(iii) and 7(2)(b) refer) nor does it
'indicate the nature of an adjudicator’s power to award costs',
Appeals Reg. 6(6)(a)(ii) refers;
To the extent that the above are referred to, this occurs only
in the enclosed leaflet/guidance note which has been produced by
the Tribunal to aid owners and which, I submit, does not
substitute for correct and separated references to these
important matters in the NOR itself, neither does the inclusion
of this leaflet relieve the authority of its statutory duties in
this regard.
OP, a bit long, but it's something to bounce around.
#Post#: 87315--------------------------------------------------
Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich PCN, Code 01 Parked in a
restricted street, Gallions Road
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 26, 2025, 12:58 pm
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The bovinely stupid council put up two signs, but one of them is
on the pavement on other side of the dual carriageway, where the
traffic is passing in the opposite direction !
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/pPwMx2MVdBNT4Bzk8
And now the one on the correct carriageway has been turned round
so it's no longer visible. Looks a good argument to take to
London Tribunals; a total failure of the council to meet their
responsibilities in Regulation 18 (1)(a) and 18(1)(b) of The
Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and
Wales) Regulations 1996
#Post#: 87348--------------------------------------------------
Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich PCN, Code 01 Parked in a
restricted street, Gallions Road
DIR By: IC3GB
Date: August 26, 2025, 3:08 pm
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[member=3203]John[/member] UK,
My wife was going to the dental practice on the corner of
Gallions Road with our son, the intention was to drop him off
and leave him with his brother and then park in the retail car
park adjacent. Unfortunately the younger son became unwell
whilst in the surgery resulting in the prolonged stay.
[member=428]H C Andersen[/member],
Thank you for the draft response, I'll wait to see what if any
further comments are made by others.
[member=12]Incandescent[/member] I have another video of me
standing at the CPZ entry sign which can be viewed here
HTML https://imgur.com/a/yuc1OIY
with a few more images attached
taken on 14/07/25 showing the angle of the sign from the
footway.
Thanks for all of your comments.
#Post#: 87349--------------------------------------------------
Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich PCN, Code 01 Parked in a
restricted street, Gallions Road
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: August 26, 2025, 3:16 pm
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Why do you continue to ignore the second gateway CPZ sign??
#Post#: 87351--------------------------------------------------
Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich PCN, Code 01 Parked in a
restricted street, Gallions Road
DIR By: IC3GB
Date: August 26, 2025, 3:22 pm
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Do you mean the sign on the opposite side of the carriageway,
which I doubt that any driver would notice coming off of the
roundabout and heading on the eastbound carriageway?
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