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#Post#: 8313--------------------------------------------------
City of Edinburgh, code 01 parked in a restricted street, light
encroachment on single yellow line (from resident parki
DIR By: Demio323
Date: October 25, 2023, 2:55 am
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I am staying at a friend's house in the centre of Edinburgh and
have use of his car. The car has a residents' permit for the
surrounding zone.
On the street in question, there is a long residents' parking
bay designed for cars to park diagonally rather than parallel to
the kerb. Parking spaces can be difficult to find, so I squeezed
into a spot at the end of the bay in question. As can be seen
from the pictures, the front of the car ended up slightly
outside the dotted line, encroaching into a single yellow line
area. The yellow line area in question is a "keep clear" area as
that's where the communal bins are placed.
Pictures here:
HTML https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1UudCpmhXuUsqCuEOQZ2O81V7TQCdRCFI?usp=share_link
To clarify, the back end of the car was very much within the
dotted line, but the car's position was askew such that the
front of it was outside the lines as seen.
The GSV location for where the car was parked was approximately
here, just to the left of the black bin and roughly where the
Vauxhall is (although obviously slightly more to the right):
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/z4t38kY7ZkHMwu3R6
And a photo of the PCN:
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-FU7hg-PImC2RP9sm6BFbNhjSTRsuEAa/view?usp=share_link
It's an annoying one because the encroachment would appear to be
of zero practical consequence given the position of the bins. In
hindsight, my mistake was that I could have probably parked the
front of the car closer to the car to the left (not seen in the
photo), but this would have left very little space between them
so I decided to leave a gap (assuming that nothing would come of
it).
I realise that there are generally very limited grounds for
appealing PCNs. Is it even worth pursuing the "no offence was
committed" route and try to argue that the encroachment was so
minimal as to not warrant punishment? Or just swallow the fine?
Many thanks.
#Post#: 8314--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of Edinburgh, code 01 parked in a restricted street,
light encroachment on single yellow line (from resident p
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 25, 2023, 3:13 am
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I think your suggestion of de minimis is a non-starter, because
your car is well over the area governed by the yellow line. No
harm in submitting representations, but make sure they are
received by the council within the discount period. You may well
have to suck this one up, I'm afraid. Scottish law is based on
the original 1991 Act, not the Traffic Management Act 2004.
Please post a GSB link to the location, telling us exactly where
you parked.
#Post#: 8315--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of Edinburgh, code 01 parked in a restricted street,
light encroachment on single yellow line (from resident p
DIR By: Demio323
Date: October 25, 2023, 3:25 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
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> Please post a GSB link to the location, telling us exactly
where you parked.
>
--- End Quote ---
Do you mean the Google Street View? The link I posted above
(
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/z4t38kY7ZkHMwu3R6)
is the location in
question (I've put in a new link above to make the location
slightly more accurate). Maps location here:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/UVwn1iPzyRkz6zaR6
#Post#: 8605--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of Edinburgh, code 01 parked in a restricted street,
light encroachment on single yellow line (from resident p
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: October 28, 2023, 6:06 pm
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The PCN says a penalty charge of £ 00 is payable within 28 days,
which doesn't seem so bad?
On a more serious note please post the back of the PCN so we can
check for further issues.
I will also get hold of the relevant map tiles.
#Post#: 10736--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of Edinburgh, code 01 parked in a restricted street,
light encroachment on single yellow line (from resident p
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: November 20, 2023, 12:22 pm
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[member=819]Demio323[/member] what happened to you?
The traffic order is The City of Edinburgh Council (Traffic
Regulation; Restrictions on Waiting, Loading and Unloading,
Stopping and Parking Places) Designation and Traffic Regulation
Order 2018
HTML https://drive.google.com/uc?id=16vQ7Thvx3nyPxKb6QOWBMw5HMoXU5pFr<br
/>and the map tiles are Map tile 1866
HTML https://drive.google.com/uc?id=18SGozWXUa1S2N563t9isK0doHyMOzpUn<br
/>and Map tile 1807
HTML https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1Wd5uxpD9l1AsBzfWh0ImwelQ5A09AfpO.
#Post#: 46282--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of Edinburgh, code 01 parked in a restricted street,
light encroachment on single yellow line (from resident p
DIR By: Demio323
Date: November 19, 2024, 4:05 pm
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Gosh, just realised I forgot to update this thread. My
apologies.
I sent an "appeal" that was essentially a request for clemency,
and they luckily ended up cancelling the ticket. For the record,
appeal and reply below:
--- Quote ---
> I received this PCN for parking on a single yellow line during
restricted hours. It may not be clear from the photos, but the
vehicle was parked in a diagonal bay for resident parking. The
vehicle involved did (and does) have a permit for the zone in
question. I wish to state for the record that I accept that a
part of the vehicle (the right-hand tyre and part of the engine
bay) was encroaching over the single yellow line. This is a
result of my having parked the car slightly askew in order to
leave space between it and the adjacent car (the back of the car
was well within the dotted lines demarcating the parking bay
area). Here is a Google Street View link to the approximate
location the car was parked:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/ViosBw4htabh2frU7
My car was positioned
similarly to the dark blue Citroen but slightly closer to the
bin. The bin is placed closer to the road than to the kerb. I
would argue that the car's position, while technically partly
positioned on a yellow line, caused negligible obstruction with
respect to the yellow line's purpose (to keep the area in
question clear for the placing of communal recycling bins). In
light of the above, I am respectfully asking whether you would
reconsider the issuing of this ticket. Best regards, Demio323
--- End Quote ---
And their reply:
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> Thank you for your correspondence received on 04/11/2023.
> We have cancelled the parking ticket.
> This parking ticket was issued because the vehicle was parked
on a single yellow line.
> Parking is not allowed on single yellow lines during
restricted hours. The Parking Attendant
> observed the vehicle for five minutes and the driver did not
return during this time.
> Even if only part of the vehicle is parked on a single yellow
line a ticket can be issued. We have
> cancelled the ticket as a courtesy on this occasion but please
note that future tickets issued
> under similar circumstances may not get cancelled.
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 46300--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of Edinburgh, code 01 parked in a restricted street,
light encroachment on single yellow line (from resident p
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 19, 2024, 5:25 pm
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You've done well, so Well Done !! We only rarely see councils
give way on receipt of informal challenges.
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