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#Post#: 87421--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Council parking ticket outside my home - going to
court ADVICE NEEDED!
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: August 27, 2025, 8:08 am
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[member=2249]stamfordman[/member], I'm as confused as you.
The Res Permit on show expired in Jan. 2025. It's in the vehicle
in question, therefore it's reasonable to conclude that the OP
had knowledge of and paid the prevailing permit tariff before
2025.
But they're saying here that they didn't buy a Res Permit until
June 2025.
Anyway, OP your whole argument regarding the issue of 2 PCNs
seems to be that you had tried to acquire a Res Permit soon
after purchasing the car but were thwarted because of issues
regarding the applicable tariff. As pointed out by others, you
had options available to you to park legally which did not
involve holding a permanent res permit, therefore even if
correct it would not be a defence which would succeed at
adjudication.
But as you held one in Jan. 2025, implicitly 2024, for exactly
the same vehicle with the same emissions -therefore long before
these PCNs- this rather undermines your argument.
I can't square the circle of conflicting evidence without your
input.
And we need to see photos of the traffic signs where you park.
#Post#: 87485--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Council parking ticket outside my home - going to
court ADVICE NEEDED!
DIR By: Eits1000
Date: August 27, 2025, 3:14 pm
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So any tips? Was going for some advice
... Thanks in advance!
#Post#: 87497--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Council parking ticket outside my home - going to
court ADVICE NEEDED!
DIR By: Eits1000
Date: August 27, 2025, 5:26 pm
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I've just seen all the replies, thank you. The signage where I
live is irrelevant here as I am a resident in a parking permit
zone and there are signs at the beginning of the street saying
something to the tune of "controlled parking zone" or suchlike.
There are also other signs saying permit parking zone between
10am-2pm on the street.
This is the second year/cycle of having a permit on this
imported car, a similar discussion happened the previous year
which I can't fully remember but eventually I received a parking
permit for the new car in 2024 which was a transitional permit
from previous car to new car and it seemed somewhat amicable as
they didn't really overcharge they just transfered to the new
car.
So when this permit ran out, I believe in March this year, I
began these new discussions about renewal after the website
where one buys the permit defaulted to the highest payment
bracket.
I get the technicalities that have been raised in terms of dates
etc but it far simpler than is being made out here:
my permit ran out, I tried to renew online, I was shown a
ridiculously high price, I attempted to discuss it with the
council, they were very sporadic and dismissive in their
responses and long drawn out response times, in the meantime I
got 2 parking tickets. As replies were sometimes 2 weeks from
the council I then just gave up and bought a permit at the
higher price.
You are correct the expiry shows January but actually as it was
a transitional permit it expired in March (it was a **** up in
their part when I got the last licence and a duplicate one was
made - very confusing...) so ran out March and I renewed in
June. The discussions started in January and have gone on until
I got the tickets and then bought a permit.
Does the above simplify matters?
#Post#: 87498--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Council parking ticket outside my home - going to
court ADVICE NEEDED!
DIR By: Grant Urismo
Date: August 27, 2025, 5:28 pm
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No.
This is not as simple as you think it is. We need to fully
understand what's happened here in order to give you the correct
advice. The signage IS relevant!
#Post#: 87499--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Council parking ticket outside my home - going to
court ADVICE NEEDED!
DIR By: Eits1000
Date: August 27, 2025, 5:39 pm
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My last message makes it very clear what happened. My last
message also states what signage is present on my street.
#Post#: 87500--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Council parking ticket outside my home - going to
court ADVICE NEEDED!
DIR By: Eits1000
Date: August 27, 2025, 5:42 pm
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Anyway I dokt think I have any angle other than what I've stated
for which to appeal? The fact that they dragged their heels, I
can't see any other ways to appeal, I was hoping to get some
advice here...
#Post#: 87505--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Council parking ticket outside my home - going to
court ADVICE NEEDED!
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 27, 2025, 5:57 pm
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Clearly with the council beiing obdurate and failing to engage,
you should take them to London Tribunals. However, (and I don't
like to say this, so sorry), but you're partly to blame in
buying a re-imported vehicle without checking it's emissions
rating. The car probably matches the same car sold in the UK,
but you have to prove it. I suggest you go back to the dealer
you bought the car from and confront him on the absence of
emissions information. It is something all dealers in these
re-imports should do, after all, they have to change the
speedometer to be mph as the main scale.
#Post#: 87507--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Council parking ticket outside my home - going to
court ADVICE NEEDED!
DIR By: Eits1000
Date: August 27, 2025, 6:00 pm
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Thanks. Wjst is London tribunals? It's coming up to two years
since I bought the car. He changed the speedo.
#Post#: 87511--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Council parking ticket outside my home - going to
court ADVICE NEEDED!
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 27, 2025, 6:23 pm
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--- Quote from: Eits1000 link ---
>
> Thanks. Wjst is London tribunals? It's coming up to two years
since I bought the car. He changed the speedo.
>
--- End Quote ---
London Tribunals adjudicate PCN disputes, when the council (or
Transport for London as well), reject representations, and the
PCN recipient decides to have the matter put to adjudication. It
is your absolute right in law to take the council to
adjudication. My understanding is that you had a permit for the
car, but when renewal came up, the council decided it was in a
higher emissions rating and asked for a bigger permit fee, even
though the expired permit was for the same car !
I had a look on 'CHeck VED' for your car, and it shows a value
of 0 (zero) for CO2 emissions thus confirming the when the car
was re-registered in the UK, no emissions value was entered. Who
did the registration, you or the dealer ?
Built originally in 2013, and registered with DVLA February 2024
so if it's petrol then it is bound to be ULEZ compliant, but if
diesel, very unlikely.
You might like to look at this website if you haven't already
done so: -
HTML https://carfueldata.vehicle-certification-agency.gov.uk/search-new-or-used-cars.aspx
#Post#: 87586--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Council parking ticket outside my home - going to
court ADVICE NEEDED!
DIR By: Eits1000
Date: August 28, 2025, 1:31 pm
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Hi, yes everything you state in your first paragraph is exactly
correct.
The car was registered by the dealer I purchased it from. A
private small business import specialist. Obviously I had no
clue about emissions data at the time. The car is petrol and is
indeed ulez compliant.
So the tribunal thingie, do I appeal the £140 letter there or do
I first appeal following instructions given on the letter - I
believe I have 28 days for representation.
What do you suggest I do next?
Many thanks.
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