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#Post#: 86868--------------------------------------------------
Harrow Council parking ticket outside my home - going to court
ADVICE NEEDED!
DIR By: Eits1000
Date: August 23, 2025, 4:28 am
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Hi, advice needed... I bought a Japanese imported car. When I
tried to get a parking permit for it - since permits are priced
according to emissions, my car didn't have any emissions info,
therefore the council (Harrow) defaulted to the most expensive
bracket.
I disputed this as being unfair and sent like for like
comparisons of my car from auto trader proving the emissions
were lower, as well as recent mot certificate with emissions
info - they claimed the format was wrong.
As this was in discussion, Harrow Council were responding every
2 weeks to emails, always dismissive and using the argument that
if they changed the bracket for me it would be unfair on other
residents, somehow. At one point they offered to sell me a
permit slightly lower but not at the correct rate and told me
I'd need to contact bmw for an official emissions report (£250)
which somewhat defeats the purpose of the argument.
Anyway, as this went in for several weeks, and with very
sporadic replies to countless emails I sent, in the meantime I
received two parking fines for parking outside my own home
without a valid parking permit!
I appealed them but they were dismissed. I then bought the more
expensive permit to cut the discussion short as I didn't want
more fines, I wasn't getting anywhere and they weren't replying
at all at this point. I tried calling also but that didn't work.
On principle I now want to go to court and fight these two
tickets, I have all the emails showing how slow they were to
reply and how they didn't give me a temporary permit whilst we
were clearly in the midst of discussing my predicament.
I have received the 28 days double fee £140 letter now stating
I can do a representation on grounds that I feel are compelling.
Any assistance on the above would be gratefully received, thank
you!
#Post#: 86870--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Council parking ticket outside my home - going to
court ADVICE NEEDED!
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 23, 2025, 4:55 am
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Sorry, no good without some hard info. So please read this and
update your thread accordingly.
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
It sounds like you have the Notice to Owner for each PCN. You
must respond to these, or it's game over. Just submit your
original reps again, but updated with our help. There is no
"court"; appeals are dealt with at London Tribunals.
#Post#: 86871--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Council parking ticket outside my home - going to
court ADVICE NEEDED!
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: August 23, 2025, 5:00 am
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Beaten to this by Incandescent.
Pl post(using external site) at least one PCN(if they're for the
same contravention at the same location), both sides, your
challenge, their rejection and a NTO. GSV to the exact location
would be useful.
Also, pl explain: 'I bought a Japanese imported car and when it
came to renewing my parking permit'.
Do you mean 'when it came to getting a permit', after all you
weren't renewing for the Japanese car?
#Post#: 86873--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Council parking ticket outside my home - going to
court ADVICE NEEDED!
DIR By: Eits1000
Date: August 23, 2025, 5:16 am
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I have added the reply I got to y appeal (appeal was exactly as
above) as well as the notice to owner.
To Clarify I wanted to buy a new parking permit after purchasing
a Japanese imported car thst didn't have emissions data on file.
The Harrow Council website immediately. Defaulted to a
ridiculously high bracket because of this.
Both appeals were exactly the same and both reply letters from
the council were exactly the same.
As you can see they completely deny there was any issue with my
permit nor any discussions ongoing. I have all the email threads
so that's a complete lie. I assumed the formal representation
means I can go to court and show the judge the emails showing
how dismissive and slow to respond they were. That is not
"putting residents first" on my view. I got ticketed outside my
own home! And I've held a permit for many years.
#Post#: 86880--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Council parking ticket outside my home - going to
court ADVICE NEEDED!
DIR By: Eits1000
Date: August 23, 2025, 6:04 am
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Can anyone help with my appeal? Isnit pretty straight forward?
Or are there any tips and tricks?
#Post#: 86882--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Council parking ticket outside my home - going to
court ADVICE NEEDED!
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 23, 2025, 6:18 am
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--- Quote from: Eits1000 link ---
>
> Can anyone help with my appeal? Isnit pretty straight forward?
Or are there any tips and tricks?
>
--- End Quote ---
No it's not straightforward, I'm afraid. And as this is the Bank
Holiday weekend, you'll probably not get much until Tuesday next
week. We'll have to read all the documents to see what the score
is, until then, enjoy your bank holiday.
Edit
Please post the emails, and any other info, incl the make and
model of the car.
#Post#: 86893--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Council parking ticket outside my home - going to
court ADVICE NEEDED!
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: August 23, 2025, 6:57 am
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The problem as I see it is you should have bought a permit at
the higher rate and then established a lower rate and a refund.
But let's all the materials and timings.
#Post#: 86903--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Council parking ticket outside my home - going to
court ADVICE NEEDED!
DIR By: Eits1000
Date: August 23, 2025, 7:55 am
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Yes I take your point but thays not always the obvious thing to
do when you're normally used to paying £75 and suddenly being
asked for £150. As a matter of principle one tends to object and
ask for the council to reconsider based on the objections. As
one of their own residents and council tax payers one would
expect thst as a minimum, I'm my opinion.
And when I sent them proof of a like for like car model clearly
showing emissions on the lower bracket their arguments for not
accepting thst were really poor - saying the format needs to
come from an official source otherwise it would be unfair on
other residents and would set a president.
Normally the council issue temporary permits whilst
conversations are taking place.
Their response to my appeal says there were no emails which
baffles me and tells me there are grounds for dismissal. Thank
you for your help uts greatly appreciated.
#Post#: 86908--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Council parking ticket outside my home - going to
court ADVICE NEEDED!
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: August 23, 2025, 9:11 am
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Our resident parking permit here in Hackney is £455...
Did you or they mention a temporary permit as that seems to be
the obvious interim solution.
As it stands you are trying to get them to cancel on
administrative grounds not that the contraventions didn't occur,
and the tribunal can't apply mitigation although it can allow an
appeal if the council didn't follow its policy in dealing with
this and/or you were led to believe enforcement was on hold
while the permit was sorted.
#Post#: 86927--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Council parking ticket outside my home - going to
court ADVICE NEEDED!
DIR By: Eits1000
Date: August 23, 2025, 10:59 am
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Yes that is correct - administrative grounds, I am after all a
resident of the council and issues should be sorted when they
arise. It is a fact that my parking permit needed renewing and
had run out, it is the second year that this dispute has been
running. The last time exactly the same thing happened and they
cancelled two parking tickets once I had purchased a permit.
I definitely want to contest this out of principle and because I
provided what I feel is legitimate proof that my cars Emissions
fall into the lower bracket. If I'd bought the permit at the
high price I had zero faith that they would have refundede the
difference once I'd provided proof since they dismissed the
proof I'd already sent them. I also feel that paying £250 for a
form frpm bmw is totally unfair.
And yes, I wrongly believed /hoped that enforcement would be on
hold whilst this discussion was taking place.
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