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#Post#: 86808--------------------------------------------------
PCN Stopping in a yellow box junction (Crystal Palace Parade/Bus
Garage, Bromley Council)
DIR By: IC3GB
Date: August 22, 2025, 10:28 am
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Hi,
I wonder if I could request the opinion of those with knowledge,
as to whether I have grounds for a representation relating to
this PCN. Whilst the contravention is mentioned in the PCN no
contravention code has been indicated on the PCN (I may well be
splitting hairs here), secondly my exit was the left lane for me
to proceed down Anerley Hill which was initially blocked by the
first bus pulling out and blocking the junction for my exit left
and then the second bus pulling out.
Video of alleged contravention
HTML https://imgur.com/a/rBuTCCO
Thanks in advance.
#Post#: 86809--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Stopping in a yellow box junction (Crystal Palace
Parade/Bus Garage, Bromley Council)
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: August 22, 2025, 10:49 am
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Please post the video, which is the evidence.
See
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
for guidance on posting images and videos.
#Post#: 86841--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Stopping in a yellow box junction (Crystal Palace
Parade/Bus Garage, Bromley Council)
DIR By: IC3GB
Date: August 22, 2025, 4:48 pm
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Hi John,
Video link shared in my now edited original post.
Thanks in advance,
#Post#: 86849--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Stopping in a yellow box junction (Crystal Palace
Parade/Bus Garage, Bromley Council)
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: August 22, 2025, 6:06 pm
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This is trivial and unfortunate but they can enforce this to get
your cash.
Paperwork/website issues may be the only hope as per our member
Hippo.
Of course they can use discretion and can be reminded of their
duty to act fairly in the public interest.
HTML https://i.ibb.co/WjYN71F/os6r-Gy-H-ezgif-com-video-to-gif-converter.gif
#Post#: 86853--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Stopping in a yellow box junction (Crystal Palace
Parade/Bus Garage, Bromley Council)
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 22, 2025, 7:00 pm
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Having looked at their video, the bus is already stopped when
you partially enter the box. I agree with Stamfordman this is a
trivial offence. I call these 'moneygrubbing PCNs' and really,
adjudicators should be far more willing to callout things like
this, but I suspect they just want a quiet life.
#Post#: 86859--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Stopping in a yellow box junction (Crystal Palace
Parade/Bus Garage, Bromley Council)
DIR By: MrChips
Date: August 23, 2025, 3:19 am
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I don't think the video is sufficient to prove a contravention.
There are three exit lanes (including one which extends beyond
the right hand side of the box junction) and the bus is masking
the third one so you can't see if it has a stationary vehicle
blocking your exit.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/jcHEkeU12EUibxPm6?g_st=ac
Also please include the backing pages of the PCN. I believe
Bromley's template includes a technical error which can also be
a strong appeal point.
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Re: PCN Stopping in a yellow box junction (Crystal Palace
Parade/Bus Garage, Bromley Council)
DIR By: IC3GB
Date: August 23, 2025, 4:27 am
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Hi [member=43]MrChips[/member],
See the attached showing both the first and second page of the
PCN.
Thanks in advance.
#Post#: 86946--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Stopping in a yellow box junction (Crystal Palace
Parade/Bus Garage, Bromley Council)
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: August 23, 2025, 4:01 pm
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They have amended their PCN:
This is correct:
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/section/4/enacted
(v)that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the
28 day period, an increased charge may be payable;
However, they cannot take steps to enforce the increased charge
until 28 days from the date of service:
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/schedule/1/enacted
Charge certificates
5(1)Where a penalty charge notice is served on any person and
the penalty charge to which it relates is not paid before the
end of the relevant period, the enforcing authority may serve on
that person a statement (in this paragraph referred to as a
“charge certificate”) to the effect that the penalty charge in
question is increased by 50 per cent.
(2)The relevant period, in relation to a penalty charge notice
is the period of 28 days beginning—
(a)where no representations are made under paragraph 1 above,
with the date on which the penalty charge notice is served;
(b)where such representations are made and a notice of rejection
is served by the enforcing authority and no appeal against the
notice of rejection is made with the date on which the period
within which an appeal could have been made expires; or
****
I'll draft a collateral challenge tomorrow. Please prod me as I
am super busy.
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Re: PCN Stopping in a yellow box junction (Crystal Palace
Parade/Bus Garage, Bromley Council)
DIR By: Pastmybest
Date: August 24, 2025, 10:17 am
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Is it here?
HTML https://www.google.co.uk/maps/search/crystal+palace+parade+bus+garage/@51.4206649,-0.078811,134m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDgxOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
If so the box is not at the junction of two or more roads as a
road is defined a having unfettered access for the public to use
and the bus garage does not meet this criteria
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Re: PCN Stopping in a yellow box junction (Crystal Palace
Parade/Bus Garage, Bromley Council)
DIR By: IC3GB
Date: August 24, 2025, 8:07 pm
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Hi [member=156]Pastmybest[/member],
Correct as on the GSV and the attached jpeg image, this is the
box in question.
Thanks in advance.
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