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#Post#: 8261--------------------------------------------------
Gatwick NCP - Stopping on red route
DIR By: Kbonner
Date: October 24, 2023, 4:49 am
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PCN stopping on red route. Received this 1 year 7 months after
alleged charge. No video footage received but wouldn't have
stopped on red route unless there was a reason. What rights do I
have please?
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#Post#: 8273--------------------------------------------------
Re: Gatwick NCP - Stopping on red route
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: October 24, 2023, 7:06 am
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From the photos it would appear that the driver may have stopped
to allow passengers to alight. However, we possibly needn't get
into that... It would appear that they have written to you as
the hirer of the vehicle in question? Is the notice addressed to
you? If so, did they send you anything else alongside this
notice?
#Post#: 8274--------------------------------------------------
Re: Gatwick NCP - Stopping on red route
DIR By: Kbonner
Date: October 24, 2023, 7:12 am
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Thanks for the reply. The letter is addressed to me as I was the
hirer on the date in question (I gave the taxi back to the
renter around October 2022 so they must have passed my details
on). I have not received any other correspondence whatsoever.
Thanks
#Post#: 8275--------------------------------------------------
Re: Gatwick NCP - Stopping on red route
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: October 24, 2023, 7:26 am
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In which case, you could appeal along the lines of the below. Do
so as the hirer, making sure not to identify the driver (if
appealing online make sure there are no tick boxes/drop down
menus that identify the driver).
[indent]To whom it may concern,
I have received you Notice to Hirer [(PCN number)] for Vehicle
Registration Mark [VRM]. I am appealing in my capacity as the
hirer of the vehicle on the date of the event in question. There
is no obligation for me to name the driver at the time and I
will not be doing so.
To hold me liable for the charge as the hirer of the vehicle,
you must meet the conditions specified in Paragraph 14 of
Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (“the Act”). I
note from your correspondence that you have failed to meet these
conditions. These failures include (but are not limited to):
- A failure to serve a Notice to Hirer containing all the
information required by 14(5) of the Act.
- A failure to include the additional documents mentioned by
13(2) of the Act.
As a result of this, you are unable to recover the specified
charge from me, the hirer. As I do not have liability for this
charge, I am unable to help you further with this matter. I
therefore look forward to your confirmation that the charge has
been cancelled.
Yours faithfully,[/indent]
#Post#: 8429--------------------------------------------------
Re: Gatwick NCP - Stopping on red route
DIR By: Kbonner
Date: October 26, 2023, 4:17 am
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Thanks. Really appreciate you getting back. So, just so I know.
What am I actually contending? That they have provided a first
letter or accompanying letter stating a need for the drivers
details?
#Post#: 8430--------------------------------------------------
Re: Gatwick NCP - Stopping on red route
DIR By: Kbonner
Date: October 26, 2023, 4:30 am
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I have just gone onto their site with the PCN number and Reg
plate and it says '' Sorry, we cannot find this ticket - please
check the details you have provided are correct''.
Obviously due to the amount of time passed from alleged
contravention, I would assume.
What should I do?
Thank you
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Re: Gatwick NCP - Stopping on red route
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: October 26, 2023, 4:40 am
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If you are unable to appeal online you can appeal by post. Send
it regular first class (not signed for/tracked etc.) but get a
free certificate of posting from a post office.
#Post#: 8435--------------------------------------------------
Re: Gatwick NCP - Stopping on red route
DIR By: Kbonner
Date: October 26, 2023, 4:46 am
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Thank you for your assistance.
#Post#: 8439--------------------------------------------------
Re: Gatwick NCP - Stopping on red route
DIR By: Kbonner
Date: October 26, 2023, 4:58 am
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Just checked. There are no addresses for appeals whatsoever, on
the back of the letter. I have checked their website but nothing
there, so I am now waiting on their customer service line, to
get a postal address. I assume this is okay as long as I do not
divulge any info firvthe planned appeal correct?
#Post#: 8443--------------------------------------------------
Re: Gatwick NCP - Stopping on red route
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: October 26, 2023, 5:48 am
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That would be very unusual, can you upload the back of the
notice?
Phoning is not generally advised, but if you have to, don't
provide any information on your case at all.
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