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#Post#: 86053--------------------------------------------------
50mph in 30 zone but police officer thinks there was only 2 entr
ances to zone, there is 3
By: Mark6 Date: August 17, 2025, 6:07 pm
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Hi there,
I'm hoping someone can help with advice regards what I feel is
quite a unique speeding case
I have been caught doing 50mph in a 30 mph zone which I admitted
to, so have received a SJPN, but there is more to it
Basically, I was speeding on a motorcycle in a small village of
approx. 8 houses in Lincolnshire, no street lighting, and the
national speed limit drops from 60 to 30 just before entering
the village and just after leaving it
On the first bend to the village, just after the 30 signs there
is a joining BYWAY of BOAT classification(according to a BYWAY
MAP) and according to a friend who regularly goes 'Green Laning'
down here
Now, I have cycled this BYWAY as part of a cycle route probably
50 times since moving to a nearby village approx 4 years ago, it
starts at a golf club where I regularly go, which has a 60mph
speed limit highway here, and ends within the village
Every time I cycle this route I leave the BYWAY, onto the
highway heading home, due to this all I ever see on this stretch
of road is 'national speed limit signs' when leaving the
village, so my 'local knowledge' would be that I thought this
stretch of road is 60mph, prior to this I have never driven
'through' the village
So on this day, I went to the golf club, the road had been
resurfaced and it was shocking how much excess gravel was on the
road. As I was on a motorcycle and this is a countryside lane I
was driving at 10mph max between car tyre tracks, and a Range
rover overtook me dangerously, throwing gravel up, hitting my
almost brand new bike
It was because of this I decided to take the BYWAY route I was
familiar with, which to be honest was a stupid decision, but
either way 80% of the BYWAY is safer to travel than the
condition of the road I came on
So basically, I entered the village off the BYWAY, You don't see
any 30mph signs, I assumed due to no street lighting it was
60mph, and got caught doing what I thought was 10mph under the
limit, but actually 20mph over the limit
The issuing officer has put on the SJPN that there is adequate
signage on both entrances, which there is, but I don't think he
realises that the track from the bend is another entrance that's
a BOAT BYWAY, and there is no signage here to say you are
entering a 30mph zone
Where the officer was parked was after the bend so he didn't
know where I came from, he put from 'the general direction'
of...
Now to be honest he was very professional, I argued I hadn't
seen any signs, he was admant there was, I questioned signage
and TRO's(I used to work in Highways) but I didn't disclose
where I came from, as prior to this notice I wasn't 100% sure if
I should have been using this BYWAY. At the time I was just
going by my friends word of mouth that this was a 'green lane'
and I've probably only seen him, a couple of other motocross
riders, a Land Rover that looked like a farmer was driving it
inspecting the fields and other cars parked with steamy windows.
I've pleaded 'not guilty' to the SJPN so I can explain my case
I genuinely believe a BYWAY joining a HIGHWAY has to show the
speed limit at the junction, but it doesn't
The officer put his blue lights on the very second he see me
doing 50 just after the corner, by this time I hadn't passed a
repeater sign of '30mph'
The officer states there were 'multiple repeater signs in place'
- There are 2 within the village, the one facing my direction
was on the other side of the road and I hadn't seen it yet, the
other is at he other end, and its leaning over facing 45 degree
away from the highway
The officer put on his statement he was parked on the 'entrance
of a farm track', it's actually a driveway to a house
I don't want to nit-pick these statements in court, but I'm
really concerned about them believing I came down the BYWAY, not
the HIGHWAY, as the motorbike I was on is almost brand new and
not exactly a 'green laning' bike, its a sports bike, as I have
only just acquired my licence
Can anyone please advise on how to approach this?
I'm seriously considering paying for a solicitor
I believe I could receive 4-9 points and up to a £1000 fine if
I'm wrong about the BYWAY needing signage as I'm struggling to
find a paragraph in the TSRGD about BYWAYS
I have taken pictures of all entrances
Have downloaded a BYWAY map that shows the BYWAY is named and of
BOAT classification
I've downloaded the local councils TRO MAP
i'M just not sure if this has any legal standing in court if I
self represent at court?
Any advice much appreciated
#Post#: 86055--------------------------------------------------
Re: 50mph in 30 zone but police officer thinks there was only 2
entrances to zone, there is 3
By: DWMB2 Date: August 18, 2025, 12:59 am
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If your proposed evidence relates to the visibility of signage
(or lack thereof) and a TRO map, then it might be useful to show
these here so that members can advise.
A link to the area on Google Maps may similarly be helpful.
#Post#: 86056--------------------------------------------------
Re: 50mph in 30 zone but police officer thinks there was only 2
entrances to zone, there is 3
By: CharlieVictor33 Date: August 18, 2025, 1:03 am
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Have you got a streetview link of the area so we can take a
look?
#Post#: 86061--------------------------------------------------
Re: 50mph in 30 zone but police officer thinks there was only 2
entrances to zone, there is 3
By: NewJudge Date: August 18, 2025, 3:09 am
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[quote]I believe I could receive 4-9 points...[/quote]
The legislation allows for 3-6 points (or a ban). The guideline
for that speed suggests a ban of 7-28 days or 4-6 points.
As above, a gsv link might help.
#Post#: 86213--------------------------------------------------
Re: 50mph in 30 zone but police officer thinks there was only 2
entrances to zone, there is 3
By: Mark6 Date: August 18, 2025, 1:33 pm
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Thank you everyone for helping with this.
Link -
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3647742,-0.3295628,3a,75y,293.45h,79.3t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s8Lobl-H6YsndkaQxyBSCDw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D10.70045019244327%26panoid%3D8Lobl-H6YsndkaQxyBSCDw%26yaw%3D293.4532348488834!7i13312!8i6656?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDgxMy4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
Link is the end of the byway facing the village
The Village is Linwood Village
The BYWAY is called Willingham Lane
Really appreciate the help
#Post#: 86214--------------------------------------------------
Re: 50mph in 30 zone but police officer thinks there was only 2
entrances to zone, there is 3
By: Mark6 Date: August 18, 2025, 1:35 pm
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This link is where the unmarked police car was parked
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3643021,-0.3338067,3a,75y,317.06h,72.54t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sn4wrAE1Qh1n3vmjTnIFuyw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D17.461811322754727%26panoid%3Dn4wrAE1Qh1n3vmjTnIFuyw%26yaw%3D317.06054220140345!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDgxMy4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
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Re: 50mph in 30 zone but police officer thinks there was only 2
entrances to zone, there is 3
By: Mark6 Date: August 18, 2025, 2:02 pm
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I also have picture of all entrances and repeater signs, but
can't see any icons available to allow me to attach them to this
post
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Re: 50mph in 30 zone but police officer thinks there was only 2
entrances to zone, there is 3
By: DWMB2 Date: August 18, 2025, 2:15 pm
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See this guide: Posting images
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Re: 50mph in 30 zone but police officer thinks there was only 2
entrances to zone, there is 3
By: Mark6 Date: August 18, 2025, 4:20 pm
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Thank you
#Post#: 86225--------------------------------------------------
Re: 50mph in 30 zone but police officer thinks there was only 2
entrances to zone, there is 3
By: Mark6 Date: August 18, 2025, 4:27 pm
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Link below is the start of the 30mph stretch when coming up to
the village/ByWay junction
HTML https://ibb.co/GvZJyxtT
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