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#Post#: 85971--------------------------------------------------
Parked In A Loading Place Or Bay During Restricted Hours Without
Loading
DIR By: yvsalaria1
Date: August 16, 2025, 6:42 pm
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Hi all,
I received a PCN (Code 25) in Harrow on 09-Aug-2025 and would
appreciate advice.
What happened:
- I drove with my family (pregnant wife, elderly parents, and
young child) to a temple near Headstone Drive / Harrow &
Wealdstone.
- I parked in a spot with a single upright sign stating “Loading
Only.” There were no bay markings or “Loading Only” painted on
the road.
- I believed I was okay as I immediately registered my car in
the PayByPhone app (first hour is free in that car park), but I
now realise that doesn’t authorise use of a loading bay.
- I left the car to escort my wife and parents slowly to the
temple entrance. Due to their mobility needs, this took some
time. Once we all reached the temple, I immediately returned
back to the car.
- The CEO observed my car from 12:35–12:43 and issued the PCN at
12:43.
- I actually saw the CEO taking photos as I came back (after
about 8–9 minutes away) and explained the situation. He told me
to challenge it online.
- The PCN states: “Parked in a loading place or bay during
restricted hours without loading.” Location given is *“HEADSTONE
DRIVE PrncsDr–HarVw, about 3 yds to the tp.”
Key details:
- Photos on Harrow’s site only show my car from different
angles, including the sign.
- There were free parking bays nearby at the time, but I
mistakenly thought registering in PayByPhone covered me.
- My absence was short (≈8–9 minutes), but not continuous
loading, it was helping vulnerable passengers alight and reach
the entrance.
Does the boarding/alighting exemption apply here, given I was
genuinely helping a pregnant passenger and elderly parents?
Should I also ask for the Traffic Management Order and CEO’s
full notes in case they reject the challenge.
I’d be very grateful for any guidance on how best to approach
this or if someone could share their similar experience.
#Post#: 85995--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked In A Loading Place Or Bay During Restricted Hours
Without Loading
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: August 17, 2025, 7:06 am
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Pl repost with PCN and VRM visible. We need to be able to access
their photos..
Do you have a GSV of the exact location?
#Post#: 86050--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked In A Loading Place Or Bay During Restricted Hours
Without Loading
DIR By: yvsalaria1
Date: August 17, 2025, 5:33 pm
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Apologies, please find attached the non redacted pic.
PCN record: IY00226502
Also the latest GSV is from 2012 so I dont think that would be
helpful. It looks quite different from the old GSV but let me
know if you still need it
#Post#: 86051--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked In A Loading Place Or Bay During Restricted Hours
Without Loading
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: August 17, 2025, 5:52 pm
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Some of council pics.
It's not a car park? The contravention is for an on-street
loading place.
Assisted alighting to nearby premises is an exemption but you
will probably have to supply some proof of need.
Where is the temple in relation to where you parked and was it
about the nearest.
What is the map location - the PCN seems to say Headstone Drive,
Princes Drive 'HarVw'
HTML https://i.ibb.co/RGMBzmz8/h2.jpg
HTML https://i.ibb.co/1Ybr4vY5/h1.jpg
HTML https://i.ibb.co/FkchpVcq/h3.jpg
#Post#: 86072--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked In A Loading Place Or Bay During Restricted Hours
Without Loading
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: August 18, 2025, 4:17 am
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You should post the back of the PCN so that we can check the
all-important 'blurb'.
But assume that a challenge made within the 14-day discount
period would see the discount re-offered if unsuccessful and so
submit a challenge no later than 22 Aug. We haven't got a clear
GSV but the loading bay sign is clear. Looking at the road
surface, I would think that they would argue that:
(2) The marks and gaps forming the boundary of the bay may—
(a)vary in number and length; or
(b)be replaced by a continuous white line.
(3) The bay may be varied to contrast, in pattern or colour,
from the surrounding parts of the road and any adjoining bays,
in which case the marking may be omitted.
By all means claim the exemption of assisted alighting, but I
don't know whether it applies and of course it's for you to
prove your entitlement.
#Post#: 86173--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked In A Loading Place Or Bay During Restricted Hours
Without Loading
DIR By: yvsalaria1
Date: August 18, 2025, 10:10 am
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Back of the PCN is attached. Refer PCN Back.jpeg
Here is the GSV -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/sb3aCVf3kgeFPASp6
Like I said, it is quite old, now they dont have the divider in
between.
It is a car park with Paybyphone location code - 804599
I have managed to get the latest upper view of the location
where I parked. Check Screenshot Upper view.png
In this screenshot, 1st Arrow shows from where I entered, Arrow
2nd is where exactly I parked (and as you can see many of others
do park there) and Arrow 3rd is from where I went towards the
temple.
Here are the temple coordinates - 51.59356774378332,
-0.333886387398547 which is around 4 min walk from the parking
area. Attached is the path I traversed, refer 14-32 Headstone
Dr, Harrow to International Siddhashram Shakti Centre - Google
Maps.pdf
There is another nearby parking location to the temple having
paybyphone code - 802008 however that was full at that moment
hence I had to park where the contravention happened.
It was my Mother's birthday that day hence we went to the temple
to seek blessings. I can provide documents related to pregnancy,
Mother's identity card showing DOB and Car registered on
PayByPhone. Would you suggest including any other docs while
challenging this PCN?
#Post#: 86238--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked In A Loading Place Or Bay During Restricted Hours
Without Loading
DIR By: yvsalaria1
Date: August 18, 2025, 6:26 pm
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Anyone please?
#Post#: 86242--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked In A Loading Place Or Bay During Restricted Hours
Without Loading
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 18, 2025, 7:42 pm
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> Anyone please?
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My view is that your reps should concentrate on the assisted
boarding/alighting aspect. You could not park in the pay bays
near the temple as they were full. However, you seem to have
been under a misapprehension regarding paying to park. You have
to be in a parking bay requiring payment, not a bay labelled
'Loading Only".
However, submit reps on the assisted boarding aspect.
#Post#: 86542--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked In A Loading Place Or Bay During Restricted Hours
Without Loading
DIR By: yvsalaria1
Date: August 20, 2025, 12:00 pm
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Thank you. For the Harrow council, it seems if the challenge
gets REJECTED, I will no longer be able to pay discounted fee.
I would appreciate if you can tell the chances of success in my
case. If it is low, I would prefer going with the discounted
fee.
#Post#: 86555--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked In A Loading Place Or Bay During Restricted Hours
Without Loading
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 20, 2025, 2:15 pm
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I can't see a success here at adjudication. You say yourself
you saw the Loading Only sign, yet thought paying cancelled that
out. Of course you have the absolute right in law to take them
to adjudication in the assisted boarding exemption.
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