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#Post#: 85767--------------------------------------------------
Enfield, Code 33C, Bus Lane, Bull Lane, London N18
DIR By: StrummerJonny
Date: August 15, 2025, 7:28 am
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Hi, any advice would be most welcome.
The alleged offence happened on a Sunday evening, 3 August, at
6.40pm in north London
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I was taking my son to a gig at the Spurs stadium, I don't know
the area at all and was looking for parking. I had no idea that
I had done this until I received the PCN. Looking back, there
was no prior warning that you were about to enter a bus lane but
seems that there are no alternative options. Naturally when you
look at the evidence you can see that there were signs and I'm
sure locals might be aware of this but for out of towners! It's
not that you could turn left/right or use a different lane. The
only option is to completely turn around. Bull lane is a long,
straight road for a bus land to suddenly appear seems a little
sinister. Can argue also that just before 7pm on a Sunday night
on a minor/irrelevant road!
I appreciate that I might not have any grounds other than human
error and question the times that they monitor this road, you
see many bus lanes that have flexible hours.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
TIA
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#Post#: 85853--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enfield, Code 33C, Bus Lane, Bull Lane, London N18
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 15, 2025, 2:24 pm
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We've seen this location before ! Council want to block it for
through traffic. There is a red-backround non-traffic sign on
turning in from Sterling Way (A406), but it is stupidly placed
so one cannot read it before making the turn !
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However, this is the latest GSV view of October 2024
HOwever, the restriction is some way down Bull Lane, past
Bridport Road. On approach to the mini-roundabout at Bridport
Road, there is an advance sign of the restriction ahead: -
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then, at the cross roads a cul-de-sac sign: -
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and finally the signs themselves: -
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At this point, Bull Lane becomes Queen Street.
Going north on Queen St, this advance sign is present: -
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then a bit further along a large red sign that doesn't really
tell you much, plus the much smaller cul-de-sac sign. Obvioiusly
with the enormous red sign, the cul-de-sac sign would be easily
missed
#Post#: 85896--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enfield, Code 33C, Bus Lane, Bull Lane, London N18
DIR By: MrChips
Date: August 16, 2025, 4:52 am
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The PCN says they may disregard any representations received
more than 28 days from date of PCN. Surely this has to be from
date of service of PCN?
#Post#: 85900--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enfield, Code 33C, Bus Lane, Bull Lane, London N18
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 16, 2025, 5:10 am
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Yes, you're right. The LLA & TfL Act 2003 is badly drafted.
Payment period is 28 days from date of notice and submission of
reps period is 28 days from date of service. So if you submit
your reps on day 28 of this period, you're overdue on paying the
PCN ! A typical stupid drafting error on the Act that nobody
spotted at the time.
#Post#: 85903--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enfield, Code 33C, Bus Lane, Bull Lane, London N18
DIR By: MrChips
Date: August 16, 2025, 5:16 am
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I'm aware of that, but is the PCN not void in that case? It
should state that representations may be disregarded if received
more than 28 days from date of service?
#Post#: 85909--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enfield, Code 33C, Bus Lane, Bull Lane, London N18
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 16, 2025, 5:33 am
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--- Quote from: MrChips link ---
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> I'm aware of that, but is the PCN not void in that case? It
should state that representations may be disregarded if received
more than 28 days from date of service?
>
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Yes, because the period for submitting reps has been truncated
by 2 days, this ought to win at adjudication as it is a major
error; one that has caught out other councils too, I believe.
#Post#: 85922--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enfield, Code 33C, Bus Lane, Bull Lane, London N18
DIR By: StrummerJonny
Date: August 16, 2025, 6:40 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
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> [quote author=MrChips link=topic=7677.msg85903#msg85903
date=1755339376]
> I'm aware of that, but is the PCN not void in that case? It
should state that representations may be disregarded if received
more than 28 days from date of service?
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes, because the period for submitting reps has been truncated
by 2 days, this ought to win at adjudication as it is a major
error; one that has caught out other councils too, I believe.
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Thank you for your responses, greatly appreciated. So do you
think on account of this major error I should lead my appeal
with this? What's the best way to word it?
Many thanks
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