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#Post#: 86184--------------------------------------------------
Re: Electric Vehicle Bay Car taken to Pound - Haringey
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: August 18, 2025, 11:32 am
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OP, can we be clear.
Was the car parked in a parking place with two different traffic
signs, one at either end?
Were these EV and Resident Permit holders?
Is the area clearly divided into two separate bays with a PAIR
of parallel dashed white lines?
#Post#: 86216--------------------------------------------------
Re: Electric Vehicle Bay Car taken to Pound - Haringey
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: August 18, 2025, 2:03 pm
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From the council's pics and Maps location I posted I'd say:
Was the car parked in a parking place with two different traffic
signs, one at either end? yes[b][/b]
Were these EV and Resident Permit holders? yes
Is the area clearly divided into two separate bays with a PAIR
of parallel dashed white lines? no
#Post#: 86330--------------------------------------------------
Re: Electric Vehicle Bay Car taken to Pound - Haringey
DIR By: gainz
Date: August 19, 2025, 11:44 am
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I am challenging the vehicle removal and pcn on the basis that
the car was parked in a parking place with two different traffic
signs which is not in accordance with traffic signs guidance.
There are no markings between the bays of different use and no
signs at the divider. There are two different traffic signs, one
at either end these being EV and Resident Permit holders and the
bays were not clearly marked by a pair of parallel dashed lines.
How is that? Do I need to fill out the form or is this only?
Thanks
#Post#: 86341--------------------------------------------------
Re: Electric Vehicle Bay Car taken to Pound - Haringey
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: August 19, 2025, 1:03 pm
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I would elaborate.
I hold a valid *** permit and drove into **** where I saw a
parking place on my right with a resident permit holder sign. I
pulled in approx. half way along the parking place.
I left my car and returned to find a PCN for parking in an
electric vehicle bay. At this point I looked at the front of the
bay and saw an EV charging point and a different traffic sign
i.e. EV charging only. Presumably the council consider that some
part of the parking place is subject to the EV sign while at the
same time some part is reserved to residents. Exactly how a
motorist is supposed to know this without the presence of
prescribed road markings, as can be found in the Highway Code,
is a mystery. It is also improper, confusing and non-compliant
with their regulatory duties (Local Authorities' Traffic Order
Regulations etc.).
The PCN must be cancelled.
#Post#: 86356--------------------------------------------------
Re: Electric Vehicle Bay Car taken to Pound - Haringey
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: August 19, 2025, 1:53 pm
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There is a small marking demarcating the bays but without proper
separation the contravention of not parked in bay markings comes
to mind instead.
#Post#: 86397--------------------------------------------------
Re: Electric Vehicle Bay Car taken to Pound - Haringey
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: August 19, 2025, 4:16 pm
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What can be seen is not prescribed.
Permit bays don't have intra-bay markings, so what's this
line/blip supposed to mean? Perhaps the council have decided
that their policy on the sustainable use of paint means they can
pay lip service to prescribed markings?
#Post#: 86683--------------------------------------------------
Re: Electric Vehicle Bay Car taken to Pound - Haringey
DIR By: gainz
Date: August 21, 2025, 11:55 am
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I left my car and returned to find a PCN for parking in an
electric vehicle bay. At this point I looked at the front of the
bay and saw an EV charging point and a different traffic sign
i.e. EV charging only. Presumably the council consider that some
part of the parking place is subject to the EV sign while at the
same time some part is reserved to residents. Exactly how a
motorist is supposed to know this without the presence of
prescribed road markings, as can be found in the Highway Code,
is a mystery. It is also improper, confusing and non-compliant
with their regulatory duties (Local Authorities' Traffic Order
Regulations etc.). I am challenging the vehicle removal and PCN
on the basis that the car was parked in a parking place with two
different traffic signs which is not in accordance with traffic
signs guidance. There are no markings between the bays of
different use and no signs at the divider. There are two
different traffic signs, one at either end these being EV and
Resident Permit holders and the bays were not clearly marked by
a pair of parallel dashed lines.
I drove into Moselle Avenue N22 where I saw a parking place on
my right with a resident permit holder sign. I pulled in approx.
half way along the parking place. I had a valid visitor permit
for 1hr from approx 11am to 12pm.
The PCN must be revoked and all payments returned.
Also, my vehicle was damaged by the recovery truck and I will be
invoicing Haringey for damages separately.
#Post#: 93866--------------------------------------------------
Re: Electric Vehicle Bay Car taken to Pound - Haringey
DIR By: gainz
Date: October 13, 2025, 5:39 am
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Hello all we have had nothing from the council re the appeal we
also made a clain to the pound company for damages but just a
letter of intent to persue damages. Nothing from them either. I
guess we should wait a little longer but is there anything
further we should do?
#Post#: 93869--------------------------------------------------
Re: Electric Vehicle Bay Car taken to Pound - Haringey
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: October 13, 2025, 6:08 am
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When and how did you make reps?
There is a 56-day limit which applies to councils therefore if a
response has not been sent your reps are deemed accepted:
If the representations—
(a)are made in accordance with regulation 11(3), and
(b)are not disregarded by the enforcement authority under
paragraph (2),
the authority must, within the period of 56 days beginning with
the date on which the enforcement authority receives the
representations (“the 56-day period”), comply with the
requirements specified in paragraph (4).
(4) The requirements are that the enforcement authority must—
(a)consider the representations and any supporting evidence
which R provides, and
(b)serve on R a notice of its decision (a “decision notice”)....
Today is 13 Oct, therefore beyond the 56-day limit if your reps
were made correctly and no later than 18 Aug. Yours were made on
or after 18th, therefore the period has not yet expired.
Show us your reps and describe how and when made and whether you
received an acknowledgement email and we'll tell you when the
period has expired.
#Post#: 96170--------------------------------------------------
Re: Electric Vehicle Bay Car taken to Pound - Haringey
DIR By: gainz
Date: October 30, 2025, 7:46 am
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Hi all so looking at this again we sent the reps by post back at
the end of August I found a copy of it and addressed it to the
address on the order. We have had no response whatsoever. We
left an email on the form too. We also emailed the pound company
with pictures of the damage to the car and had no response from
them either. What should we do? This is a bitter pill to swallow
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