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52M PCN. Havering: South St/ Eastern Road RM1
DIR By: seventhson1975
Date: August 12, 2025, 4:59 am
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Hi Hope all is well.
I received this PCN dated 1st August, yesterday (11th August).
From what I understand I have only a couple of days to appeal
this as I received it 11 days later. I realised the mistake I
made only after entering the zone and being a one way street I
had no option to reverse or turn around. There were also alot of
road diversions in the area which added to a bit of confusion.
I've looked online to find a street view image but i'm not sure
exactly where this location is.
Any help will be much appreciated
Thankyou
Alex Stassi
HTML https://imgur.com/a/52m-rm1-Tir2nSg
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Re: 52M Havering: South St/ Eastern Road RM1
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 12, 2025, 5:36 am
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Here, I think: -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/TRweEmtRL7UBZDsP8
However, GSV is not up-to-date, so the "Flying Motorbike" signs
are not there.
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Re: 52M Havering: South St/ Eastern Road RM1
DIR By: seventhson1975
Date: August 12, 2025, 5:39 am
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> Here, I think: -
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HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/TRweEmtRL7UBZDsP8
> However, GSV is not up-to-date, so the "Flying Motorbike"
signs are not there.
>
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Ahh yes that looks like it from the video. Thankyou.
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Re: 52M Havering: South St/ Eastern Road RM1
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 12, 2025, 6:01 am
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--- Quote from: seventhson1975 link ---
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> [quote author=Incandescent link=topic=7642.msg85284#msg85284
date=1754994971]
> Here, I think: -
>
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/TRweEmtRL7UBZDsP8
> However, GSV is not up-to-date, so the "Flying Motorbike"
signs are not there.
>
--- End Quote ---
Ahh yes that looks like it from the video. Thankyou.
[/quote]
Did you approach the signs head-on, or turn left into South St ?
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Re: 52M PCN. Havering: South St/ Eastern Road RM1
DIR By: seventhson1975
Date: August 12, 2025, 7:00 am
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I'm not sure can't remember
I've uploaded the video.
HTML https://imgur.com/6VODogU
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Re: 52M PCN. Havering: South St/ Eastern Road RM1
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 12, 2025, 7:58 am
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Looks like a head-on approach, but the video doesn't show the
signs you passed, so you could argue that their evidence of the
alleged contravention, (the video), shows no contravention.
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Re: 52M PCN. Havering: South St/ Eastern Road RM1
DIR By: seventhson1975
Date: August 12, 2025, 8:12 am
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If this is the same road, it says no vehicles except for access?
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/dzmtjV5X7AV4eybN6
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Re: 52M PCN. Havering: South St/ Eastern Road RM1
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: August 12, 2025, 8:17 am
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So the video doesn't show the traffic signs and their visibility
and condition on the day, the camera is sited after the signs
and we're left to infer that any prohibited vehicle in shot must
therefore by definition be in contravention because everything
was hunky-dory with the signs on the day?
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Re: 52M PCN. Havering: South St/ Eastern Road RM1
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 12, 2025, 8:29 am
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--- Quote from: seventhson1975 link ---
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> If this is the same road, it says no vehicles except for
access?
>
>
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/dzmtjV5X7AV4eybN6
>
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Indeed it does, but their video of the alleged contravention
doesn't show them.
The video is the sole evidence of the contravention. Of course
if it gets to adjudication, and the lack of a view of the signs
allegedly passed is pointed out by the appellant, the council
would be under an obligation to show that the signs were there
on the day and time of the contravention. Lack of basic evidence
like this has often won appeals.
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Re: 52M PCN. Havering: South St/ Eastern Road RM1
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: August 12, 2025, 9:09 am
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HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/havering-council-charge-notice-without-pcn/msg85265/#msg85265
Have a look at this please. Obviously, disregard the prices and
the last sentence asking for the original PCN.
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