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Parked in a permit zone without permit - contra code 16
DIR By: Haych
Date: October 22, 2023, 7:40 am
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Hi all,
A visitor received a PCN in the area where permit parking is
required.
The visitor arrived around 7:00 and the permit was applied on
7:15. Therefore the time of contravention was 7:18.
On this basis, the fact that before the time of the
contravention a visitor permit had been applied correctly, I
felt that would be ok to cancel. however, the appeal for the PCN
was rejected by the crooks. FYI - I had actually applied for 2
visitor permits as initially entered the wrong plate number but
then by 7.15 made a second permit by entering the correct plate
number
Now the visitor being the registered keeper will have to wait
for the NTK before the representation to the council can be made
to appeal the rejection. Would be grateful if anyone possibly
help me on this?
Street view:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/UMpScEcMgPYcgSLc6
Few clarifications:
The permit type for this is virtual permits - nothing needs to
be displayed (see screenshot of the online permit obtained -
valid from 19.15 to 22.15). This was for the VRM on the PCN, as
can be clearly seen on the right side towards bottom of
screenshot.
My understanding is that the required virtual permit was valid
(at 19:15) BEFORE the time of the contravention - stated as
19:18 on the PCN
My mention of the incorrect permit was as a side note so that if
there is any case in saying that, look I had started applying
for the permit before but I had accidentally input a wrong VRM
and then purchased another which was in effect by 19.15 etc
Re their reply - I provided the screenshot of the virtual
permit, that I have attached to this post, when appealing the
PCN. It would not be possible to provide anything else, whether
it was me or any other resident in the same boat.
However, I don't know how they can say the permit didn't exist -
as the screenshot, which is obtained from their own council
permits website, clearly proves otherwise
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#Post#: 8095--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked in a permit zone without permit - contra code 16
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: October 22, 2023, 1:08 pm
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Council photos:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/ahxSgpC.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/3T8mmgO.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/WJR3ews.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/mI9Cq2u.jpg
Looks like the standard fob-off rejection where they don't even
bother looking at the evidence before saying you have to pay.
Just wait for the notice to owner and then make the same
representation again, if they refuse I think you have a chance
of getting a costs order against the council at the tribunal
stage.
It comes as a shock to many first-time users, but you must
remember that where councils say they have very carefully
considered everything you've said, this is often a lie. It's
just a templated rejection letter they send to everyone in the
hope that you'll just cough up the money.
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