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#Post#: 84433--------------------------------------------------
MET Stansted PCN not sure which car park
DIR By: willowweb
Date: August 6, 2025, 9:59 am
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My daughter and her friend parked at Southgate Stansted for 25
minutes. They paid on the way out as apparently they could not
leave the car park without paying, yet this PCN has been issued.
They cannot remember exactly where they parked (eg if it was
outside Mcdonalds, Starbucks, or elsewhere) but from what I can
tell, there is at least 30 minutes free parking wherever they
parked at this car park. I haven't seen anyone else refer to
being required to pay at the exit, however. Can you advise how
to challenge this please?
#Post#: 84435--------------------------------------------------
Re: MET Stansted PCN not sure which car park
DIR By: jfollows
Date: August 6, 2025, 10:06 am
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Don’t identify the driver, and the statement about the right to
recover from the registered keeper is untrue because this is not
‘relevant land’ for the purposes of the legislation.
There are many appeals here on this basis.
MET will dismiss the appeal, but provide a POPLA code which can
be used with a more detailed appeal to find in your favour.
#Post#: 84438--------------------------------------------------
Re: MET Stansted PCN not sure which car park
DIR By: jfollows
Date: August 6, 2025, 10:10 am
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However, surely the PCN identifies the precise location?
HTML https://www.streetmap.co.uk/map/idld?x=554831&y=222055&z=110&sv=554831,222055&st=4&mapp=map%5BFS%5Didld&searchp=ids&dn=651&ax=554831&ay=222055&lm=0<br
/>shows it to be within the airport boundary based on the
postcode
in the notice.
I attach a map of the airport boundary from one of the other
posts here.
#Post#: 84443--------------------------------------------------
Re: MET Stansted PCN not sure which car park
DIR By: b789
Date: August 6, 2025, 10:33 am
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Easy one to deal with… as long as the unknown drivers identity
is not revealed. There is no legal obligation on the known
keeper (the recipient of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal
the identity of the unknown driver and no inference or
assumptions can be made.
The location is not relevant land for the purposes of PoFA,
which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they
cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver
to the known keeper.
Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove
anything from it:
--- Quote ---
> I am the registered keeper. MET cannot hold a registered
keeper liable for any alleged contravention on land that is
under statutory control. As a matter of fact and law, MET will
be well aware that they cannot use the PoFA provisions because
Stansted Airport is not 'relevant land'.
>
> If Stansted Airport wanted to hold owners or keepers liable
under Airport Bylaws, that would be within the landowner's gift
and another matter entirely. However, not only is that not
pleaded, it is also not legally possible because MET is not the
Airport owner and your 'parking charge' is not and never
attempts to be a penalty. It is created for MET's own profit (as
opposed to a bylaws penalty that goes to the public purse) and
MET has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the
driver only.
>
> The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have
been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation
of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable.
MET have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a
complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
--- End Quote ---
Come back when they reject that for your POPLA appeal.
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Re: MET Stansted PCN not sure which car park
DIR By: willowweb
Date: August 6, 2025, 10:36 am
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Thank you I will send this and wait for their POPLA code
#Post#: 84446--------------------------------------------------
Re: MET Stansted PCN not sure which car park
DIR By: willowweb
Date: August 6, 2025, 10:37 am
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sorry, one more question. I am doing this on behalf of the
registered keeper. Is it ok to send it from my email address or
does it have to be from the keeper's?
#Post#: 84447--------------------------------------------------
Re: MET Stansted PCN not sure which car park
DIR By: b789
Date: August 6, 2025, 10:39 am
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You can send it from any email address you like. Why would you
ask? As long as you can receive replies to the email address you
use, it matters not.
However, if you are doing this on behalf of the Keeper,
everything must be done in the name of the keeper. DO NOT try
and do anything as someone "on behalf of the Keeper".
#Post#: 84448--------------------------------------------------
Re: MET Stansted PCN not sure which car park
DIR By: willowweb
Date: August 6, 2025, 10:43 am
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I presume you are not saying that I would have to say that I am
the keeper (as that is false) Would I reply that i am
challenging in the name of the keeper?
#Post#: 84451--------------------------------------------------
Re: MET Stansted PCN not sure which car park
DIR By: b789
Date: August 6, 2025, 10:50 am
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NO!!!! The ONLY person who can be dealing with this is the
person named on the Notice to Keeper (NtK). That is going to be
the Keeper. If YOU are not the Keeper, but you want to handle it
on behalf of the Keeper, then you MUST do it as the Keeper.
You cannot say something like "I am appealing on behalf of the
Keeper, my aunty Ethel" or whoever. If the Keeper is your aunty
Ethel, then you do EVERYTHING in the name of aunty Ethel.
No one is going to know that the Keeper didn't ACTUALLY respond.
Who cares? As long as it is the Keeper responding, then it
matters not who actually responds.
The Keeper must ONLY refer to the driver in the third party. No
"I did this or that", only "the driver did this or that".
MET have NO idea who the driver is unless the Keeper blabs it to
them, inadvertently or otherwise. ONLY the Keeper can be liable
for the PCN and there is no legal obligation on the Keeper to
identify the driver.
#Post#: 87261--------------------------------------------------
Re: MET Stansted PCN not sure which car park
DIR By: willowweb
Date: August 26, 2025, 8:18 am
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I have received the below response regarding this ticket, can
you please advise how I should respond? Apart from anything
else, I understand there should be 60 minutes free parking at
this car park?
Site: (346) Southgate Park
Issue date: 24/07/2025
Thank you for your correspondence in respect of the above
charge. The charge was not incurred at the Airport, it was
incurred at Southgate Park (Starbucks) as the store was closed
at the time and no payment was made for your stay.
If you would like to add additional comments to your appeal this
can be uploaded at www.appealmetparking.com. We
have placed your charge on hold for a further 14 days to allow
you time to do so. If we do not receive a response by the
end of the 14 days, we will have to reach a decision on your
appeal based on the information we hold at that time.
We are confident that our notice to keeper complies in all
respects with the requirements of the Protection of Freedoms
Act and you are advised that where the charge has not been paid
in full and 29 days has passed since we issued the
charge and we still do not know the name and address for service
of court papers of the driver, we are entitled to pursue
the registered keeper for payment of the outstanding charge.
Yours sincerely
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