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       #Post#: 84208--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Baliff (newlyn) took my car months after i already paid the
       debt, please help
   DIR By: H C Andersen
       Date: August 5, 2025, 7:01 am
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       Thank you for clarifying that you paid the debt in full, and
       that it was refunded due to an internal error or technical
       failure in Newlyn’s payment system.
       Sorry, but objectively we don't know this is correct.
       OP, what does 'yes the transaction was reversed, i was told
       because the had a hold on the account,' mean? Who is 'they'?
       #Post#: 84215--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Baliff (newlyn) took my car months after i already paid the
       debt, please help
   DIR By: stamfordman
       Date: August 5, 2025, 7:22 am
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       The maximum amount with all fees including the sale fee for the
       most costly London PCN (TFL - £180) is £700.
       It's possible there could be storage fees on top but you say
       they've only just taken the car.
       #Post#: 84287--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Baliff (newlyn) took my car months after i already paid the
       debt, please help
   DIR By: freedom07
       Date: August 5, 2025, 12:26 pm
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       --- Quote from: abc link ---
       >
       > Thank you for clarifying that you paid the debt in full, and
       that it was refunded due to an internal error or technical
       failure in Newlyn’s payment system. That materially strengthens
       your position. In law, the enforcement power under the warrant
       ceased at the moment full payment was received. The fact that
       Newlyn’s own system then reversed the transaction, without
       informing you, does not revive the warrant or authorise a second
       round of enforcement unless strict statutory procedures were
       followed.
       >
       > Paragraph 6 of Schedule 12 to the Tribunals, Courts and
       Enforcement Act 2007 provides that the power to take control of
       goods is exercisable only while the sum outstanding remains
       unpaid. Once full payment was received, the enforcement power
       was spent. A subsequent internal refund does not automatically
       reinstate the warrant. If Newlyn considered that the debt
       remained unpaid due to a failed transaction, they were obliged
       to recommence the process with a new notice of enforcement under
       Regulation 7 of the Taking Control of Goods Regulations 2013,
       giving you not less than seven clear days’ notice. The failure
       to do so renders the seizure of your vehicle unlawful and
       without jurisdiction.
       >
       > Moreover, you relied on Newlyn’s representation that the debt
       was settled. They issued a receipt confirming a zero balance.
       That representation gave rise to an estoppel by conduct. You
       were entitled to believe the matter was closed. To seize your
       vehicle many months later, without prior notice, based on an
       internal reversal you were never informed of, is both
       procedurally defective and substantively unlawful.
       >
       > Newlyn’s act of imposing fresh enforcement fees, without
       issuing a new notice of enforcement, is a breach of the
       statutory fee regime set out in the Taking Control of Goods
       (Fees) Regulations 2014. Those regulations do not allow for
       multiple compliance or enforcement stage fees to be charged
       under a single warrant unless specific conditions are met. Where
       enforcement has ceased, it cannot be revived without a new
       compliance stage. The sudden reappearance of bailiffs at your
       door, demanding double the original sum, without warning,
       breaches your rights under civil enforcement law and supports a
       claim for restitution, trespass, and conversion.
       >
       > You should now take the following action as a matter of
       urgency:
       >
       > (a) prepare an urgent application to the County Court for an
       interim injunction to restrain Newlyn from auctioning your
       vehicle. The basis is that the enforcement was ultra vires and
       without jurisdiction due to payment having been accepted and no
       lawful revival of enforcement powers. The application should
       include a draft order, a witness statement with exhibits (the
       original receipt, bank payment, refund evidence if available,
       and correspondence), and a skeleton argument referencing
       paragraph 6 of Schedule 12 and Regulation 7.
       >
       > (b) write a formal letter before action to Newlyn and the
       instructing council asserting that the seizure was unlawful and
       demanding immediate return of your vehicle, cancellation of all
       fees, and confirmation that no further enforcement will be
       attempted. The letter should notify both parties of your
       intention to claim for trespass to goods, conversion, and
       restitution, with reliance on Southwark LBC v Woelke [2013] EWHC
       3492 (QB), which confirms the council’s vicarious liability for
       the bailiff’s acts.
       >
       > (c) if you are financially or practically compelled to pay the
       £1,000 to recover your vehicle, you must make that payment
       expressly under protest, accompanied by a written reservation of
       your legal rights. This preserves your ability to recover the
       money through the courts as a payment made under compulsion and
       without lawful basis. The Court of Appeal in Burton v Ministry
       of Justice [2024] EWCA Civ 681 affirms that enforcement agents
       who act without lawful authority are liable for any sums
       collected outside their statutory powers.
       >
       > You are well placed to challenge this seizure as unlawful. The
       debt was paid. The refund occurred through no fault of yours. No
       lawful notice was issued. Your vehicle was taken without
       authority and you have been exposed to excessive, improper fees.
       The law offers clear remedies in this situation and the courts
       will not support the abuse of process by agents seeking to
       revive expired warrants through technical error.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       thank you very much, i will attempt this
       i only have a few days left before it's auctioned will the
       county court act in time? do you have a link or contact number?
       the car was taken in barnet london
       #Post#: 84289--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Baliff (newlyn) took my car months after i already paid the
       debt, please help
   DIR By: freedom07
       Date: August 5, 2025, 12:34 pm
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       --- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
       >
       > Thank you for clarifying that you paid the debt in full, and
       that it was refunded due to an internal error or technical
       failure in Newlyn’s payment system.
       >
       > Sorry, but objectively we don't know this is correct.
       >
       > OP, what does 'yes the transaction was reversed, i was told
       because the had a hold on the account,' mean? Who is 'they'?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       they clamped my vehicle in feburary
       then i paid it in February in full
       a few days later the payment was reversed because (as the agent
       told me) the case was on hold (i think he mentioned the council
       had it on hold) but i didnt know this until this month
       so maybe they shouldnt have even clamped my vehicle in the first
       place
       so now thats potentially a clamping that shouldnt have happened
       and i paid it anyway then months later, taking my vehicle that
       shouldnt have happened and asking me to pay more fees because
       they took it again and fees going up per day
       #Post#: 84290--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Baliff (newlyn) took my car months after i already paid the
       debt, please help
   DIR By: freedom07
       Date: August 5, 2025, 12:34 pm
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       --- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
       >
       > The maximum amount with all fees including the sale fee for
       the most costly London PCN (TFL - £180) is £700.
       >
       > It's possible there could be storage fees on top but you say
       they've only just taken the car.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       yes theres about a week of storage fees
       #Post#: 84291--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Baliff (newlyn) took my car months after i already paid the
       debt, please help
   DIR By: freedom07
       Date: August 5, 2025, 12:36 pm
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       I would like to contest to original PCN which i am doing a
       PE2/PE3 form
       because i got the pcn whilst rushing to the hosptial
       if im successful in contesting this but it was after i paid the
       baliffs to get my car back, do i get a full refund?
       i dont know if i have a case
       even if i dont have a case
       how can i argue it to be the £500 i originally paid because i
       did pay it and now i feel like i shouldnt need to pay these
       extra fees that came after it
       #Post#: 84309--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Baliff (newlyn) took my car months after i already paid the
       debt, please help
   DIR By: disgruntchelt
       Date: August 5, 2025, 2:58 pm
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       Do you have a bank statement or credit card statement with the
       money going out then coming back in?
       #Post#: 84321--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Baliff (newlyn) took my car months after i already paid the
       debt, please help
   DIR By: H C Andersen
       Date: August 5, 2025, 4:06 pm
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       OP, in your first post you said:
       last year I drove into a street that needed a permit in London
       and got a fine. I was away for months and came back with a
       baliffs order.
       Now you're claiming: I would like to contest to original PCN
       which i am doing a PE2/PE3 form because i got the pcn whilst
       rushing to the hosptial.
       Your accounts are at variance.
       In any event, once your submission is registered bailiff
       enforcement must cease. It can resume when TEC's decision is
       issued.
       Once you've submitted your out of time application it cannot be
       amended. It seems you've done this without input from
       BailiffAdviceOnline.
       Good luck.
       #Post#: 84325--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Baliff (newlyn) took my car months after i already paid the
       debt, please help
   DIR By: Bailiff Advice
       Date: August 5, 2025, 4:21 pm
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       --- Quote from: freedom07 link ---
       >
       > Hi everyone, the balliffs (Newlyn) took my car AFTER I had
       paid for the debt months ago
       >
       > Last year I drove into a street that needed a permit in London
       and got a fine. I was away for months and came back with a
       baliffs order. I paid the fine in Full in February 2025 and have
       receipts from newlyn saying the outstanding balance is 0
       >
       > And says it will auction my car in less than a week
       --- End Quote ---
       Before considering what steps you can make to get your car back,
       you need to make sure that you have all the facts to hand.
       When the contravention occurred, was a ticket placed on your car
       or was your vehicle detected  by CCTV and a Penalty Charge
       Notice issued by post?
       When you returned back home, you mention that you had received a
       'bailiffs order'. What do you mean by this?
       When making payment, can you confirm that you made payment to
       Newlyn and not to the local authority.
       A Notice of Enforcement would have been issued by Newlyn. What
       date was it issued and what was the date that payment had to be
       made by?
       What date did you make payment?
       How was the payment made?
       How much did you pay?
       Was the recipe provided to you online?
       #Post#: 84328--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Baliff (newlyn) took my car months after i already paid the
       debt, please help
   DIR By: Bailiff Advice
       Date: August 5, 2025, 4:39 pm
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       --- Quote from: freedom07 link ---
       >
       > I would like to contest to original PCN which I am doing a
       PE2/PE3 form
       > because i got the pcn whilst rushing to the hospital.
       >
       > If I'm successful in contesting this but it was after i paid
       the baliffs to get my car back, do i get a full refund?
       --- End Quote ---
       Submitting an Out of Time Application needs careful wording. In
       your initial post, you mention being away for months and to
       confuse matters, you also mention that you got the PCN whilst
       rushing to the hospital. Can you clarify the position. If you
       had been away for months, would you be able to provide any
       evidence with your application to back this up?
       Currently, Out of Time Witness Statements are taking approx 4
       working days to be processed which means that, if submitted
       tomorrow by email, bailiff enforcement would not be placed ' on
       hold' until next Monday (possibly Tuesday).
       Have you received official notification from Newlyn advising of
       the date that your vehicle is due to be sold? If so, what date
       has been provided?
       In cases where an Out of Time Witness Statement is accepted, it
       is the case that you should receive a full refund of any monies
       paid.
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