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#Post#: 84102--------------------------------------------------
Bromley Council - Entering and stopping in a box junction,
Station Rd/Access Rd Station Car Park, Sidcup
DIR By: Turnspike
Date: August 4, 2025, 2:42 pm
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Hi,
I had a PCN for this recently. There is the added issue that it
was sent to my ex's address and so I did not see it until after
the 28 days to pay had passed. I haven't made any contact about
it yet.
I will upload the image of the PCN after I have edited out
personal details.
video
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1r5URzffzRQH3mkjONffMCvQsm6l1JJ0d/view?usp=drive_link
image
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TIzUn2vTh9ar63XqFQ5NwIM18BpiMg8s/view?usp=drive_link
This was over a month ago, but I do vaguely recall what
happened. There is a traffic light ahead and the single lane
becomes two before it comes to them.
I wanted to be in the mostly empty right hand lane. As I
approached I could see the traffic as the lights turned red and
the traffic coming to a stop. From where I was, it looked as if
they would all move forward enough for me to clear the junction.
You can even see in the video that the car directly in front of
mine had more room to go forward. As it turned out, one or more
vehicles did not roll forward quite as much as I'd expected, and
even if one had taken the right hand lane, I would have had more
than enough room.
Even so, I did pass the actual junction and did not cause any
obstruction and a vehicle is able to very easily pass behind me.
I hope somebody can help. Thank you.
#Post#: 84106--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bromley Council - Entering and stopping in a box junction,
Station Rd/Access Rd Station Car Park, Sidcup
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 4, 2025, 4:22 pm
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Please set your Google Drive links to 'Public'; at the moment
they cannot be viewed.
Please also tell us why the PCN was sent to your ex's address.
As you only received the PCN after the 28 days has expired, this
period also closes off any option to submit representations. How
late are you ?
Councils may accept late reps but are not legally bound to. An
enforcement document called a Charge Certificate that adds 50%
to the penalty may already be on its way to you. I therefore
strongly urge you to submit representations asap, so please open
up your documents asap too.
#Post#: 84168--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bromley Council - Entering and stopping in a box junction,
Station Rd/Access Rd Station Car Park, Sidcup
DIR By: SITR
Date: August 5, 2025, 4:51 am
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1. It's Bexley, not Bromley.
2. Update your V5 with DVLA.
3. Keep checking with your ex re. further posted comms.
4. It's 100m further before the road widens to 2 lanes for the
right turn into Longlands.
5. Your best bet is going to be hoping there's something
procedurally wrong with the PCN when you upload it.
#Post#: 84171--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bromley Council - Entering and stopping in a box junction,
Station Rd/Access Rd Station Car Park, Sidcup
DIR By: Turnspike
Date: August 5, 2025, 4:56 am
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Sorry. The links should be viewable now.
Thanks for the responses.
Unfortunately I was completely ignorant about the V5 form. I
never got one when I first got the car it seems. There isn't one
among all my vehicle documents and I even have the reciept.
I have kept my driver's licence and insurance addresses up to
date, and just had no idea that this was a thing until now. So I
have sent off for one and am updating that too.
I was stopped by police once and they got my address through
insurance. Even then there was no mention of this form.
#Post#: 84286--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bromley Council - Entering and stopping in a box junction,
Station Rd/Access Rd Station Car Park, Sidcup
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 5, 2025, 12:25 pm
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As the council will have obtained your ex's name and address
from the DVLA record for the vehicle registration number, it
looks like your ex holds the V5C. Alternatively, the V5C is
registered to your ex at a previous address and it has been
posted on by the person now living there. If the vehicle is
hired or leased, the hire/leasing firm can pass on the name and
address of the lessor on the date of the contravention.
So it's all a bit of a puzzle, unless you can tell us more.
#Post#: 84292--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bromley Council - Entering and stopping in a box junction,
Station Rd/Access Rd Station Car Park, Sidcup
DIR By: MrChips
Date: August 5, 2025, 1:08 pm
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I interpreted it as the OP is the registered owner, but the
registered address is from when they used to live with their
'ex'.
OP please can you confirm.
For those more familiar with such matters, would the OP be able
to get the PCN reset by legitimately claiming they did not
receive the original PCN (i.e. is receiving it but after it the
deadline for payment/challenge has expired the same as not
receiving it at all?).
#Post#: 84297--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bromley Council - Entering and stopping in a box junction,
Station Rd/Access Rd Station Car Park, Sidcup
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 5, 2025, 1:34 pm
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--- Quote ---
> For those more familiar with such matters, would the OP be
able to get the PCN reset by legitimately claiming they did not
receive the original PCN (i.e. is receiving it but after it the
deadline for payment/challenge has expired the same as not
receiving it at all?).
--- End Quote ---
My view is that the regulations impose a time limit on
responding to PCNs, (and other enforcement documents too), so if
one doesn't receive it until after this statutory period has
expired, then essentially it has not been received.
So Yes !
#Post#: 84306--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bromley Council - Entering and stopping in a box junction,
Station Rd/Access Rd Station Car Park, Sidcup
DIR By: Turnspike
Date: August 5, 2025, 2:38 pm
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--- Quote from: MrChips link ---
>
> I interpreted it as the OP is the registered owner, but the
registered address is from when they used to live with their
'ex'.
>
> OP please can you confirm.
>
--- End Quote ---
Correct. Although I am still on the mortgage deed, even though I
don't live there. Not since 2020.
My ex did not tell me I had any post until I came by (I live
over an hours drive away). As far as I knew I had updated all of
my information to new addresses.
I have just moved into a new place and been here a month.
I have the PCNs ready now. Attached here.
Thank you for all the replies so far. Hopefully someone can find
something.
I found this site. It seems to have good information on it too.
HTML https://www.yellowboxes.co.uk/stolen-space-appeals
#Post#: 84624--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bromley Council - Entering and stopping in a box junction,
Station Rd/Access Rd Station Car Park, Sidcup
DIR By: Turnspike
Date: August 7, 2025, 11:17 am
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I've uploaded the PCN above. I hope somebody who knows about
these things can find something.
Possibly this?
Poorly Defined "Other Compelling Reasons"
The PCN mentions:
"We will consider representations made for any other compelling
reasons."
This is overly vague and doesn’t clarify what qualifies as
"compelling."
#Post#: 84631--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bromley Council - Entering and stopping in a box junction,
Station Rd/Access Rd Station Car Park, Sidcup
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 7, 2025, 11:47 am
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This is something the council have put in, as there is no
statutory grounds of "compelling reasons". The PCN is only
required to list the Statutory Grounds for an appeal.
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