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#Post#: 83978--------------------------------------------------
Waltham Forest - 12s Parked in a residents or shared use
parking place without permit
DIR By: ipswichfan2
Date: August 4, 2025, 3:35 am
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Hi all
I have received 2x PCN from Waltham Forest council for parking
in a permit holders only bay without a permit. Only problem is
the bay in question does not have a sign on. Other bays on the
same road do have a permit holder only sign on a lamppost or
fence nearby.
I have previously received a blue warning notice for parking in
this bay with the amount on the pcn being £0.00
I appealed the fine stating both of these reasons and have
received the following response from the council, basically
stating that because there is a general zone sign in the area
that the bays do not need to have individual permit holder only
signs on them.
My initial appeal:
I am writing to formally challenge the issuance of PCN issued on
14 June 2025 for my vehicle, registration WX17 XTA.
The PCN states that I was parked in a permit holders-only bay;
however, there were no visible signs in the vicinity clearly
indicating that this area is restricted to permit holders. The
absence of appropriate signage meant I could not reasonably have
known that parking was restricted at this location.
In addition, other vehicles parked in the same area at the same
time received a blue PCN with a penalty of £0, whereas I
received a yellow PCN with a fine of £160. This indicates
inconsistent enforcement and raises serious concerns about
fairness and clarity in the application of parking restrictions.
As per the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions
(TSRGD), motorists must be clearly informed of any restrictions
through adequate signage. In this case, the lack of clear
signage fails to meet this requirement, making the restriction
unenforceable.
I kindly request you review this matter and cancel the PCN on
the grounds of:
* Inadequate or missing signage at the location
* Inconsistent enforcement across similarly parked vehicles
* Lack of fair notice, making the restriction unclear
Please find attached:
* Photographs of the area showing the absence of signage
* Photos of the blue PCNs issued to other vehicles
I look forward to your response and a fair review of my case.
Yours sincerely,

Attached the rejected appeal letter from them below
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I have now received a NTK which I am planning on appealing as I
feel this is unfair. Any advice welcomed!
HTML https://i.imgur.com/YbIEcrc.jpeg
Streetview link, arrow pointing to the bay in question:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/jvd6Qh6FxKpLmXMTA
HTML https://i.imgur.com/2LrLSIH.jpeg
Thanks
#Post#: 83982--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN from Waltham Forest despite no permit holder only sign
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 4, 2025, 3:52 am
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Sorry, but you haven't told us enough, so please read this and
update your thread accordingly : -
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
#Post#: 83983--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest - 12s Parked in a residents or shared use
parking place without permit
DIR By: ipswichfan2
Date: August 4, 2025, 4:11 am
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Apologies, I've updated the post
#Post#: 83986--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest - 12s Parked in a residents or shared use
parking place without permit
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: August 4, 2025, 4:28 am
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They are talking nonsense as a CPZ entry sign controls single
yellow lines and not parking bays. It's not a permit parking
area.
It seems the bay sign has been missing and there's no direct pic
of a sign in the CEO's pics.
Of course they could reinstate the sign at any time.
Can you go take pictures of the bay. There is an adjoining bay.
Looks like there may be a sign in the CEO pic below.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/cKWNwBfn4fAyK5U18
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HTML https://i.ibb.co/BKQsbV8X/Screenshot-2025-08-04-at-10-19-51.png
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#Post#: 83990--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest - 12s Parked in a residents or shared use
parking place without permit
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 4, 2025, 4:41 am
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OK, so they're talking complete tosh (as usual !). The CPZ sign
with times, controls only the single yellow lines in the zone.
It does not control marked out parking bays; these need their
own sign and as you can see on GSV for September 2024, the bay
you parked in has a poles for a sign but the sign is missing.
The next bay up (separated by a double-dashed mark at
right-angles to the kerb has a sign, but it's vandalised.
However, if we go back on GSV to the previous view, (April
2022), the signs are there for both bays, the one you parked in
being for SB permit holders only: -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/QKn49H12p5CEAX2P6
and the next bay being open to all for parking, but restricted
Mon-Sat to 2 hours between 08.00am to 6.30pm, no return in 4
hours : -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/yrRaoxnA8AL1SCq56
So with no sign they cannot wallop you for parking there at all.
Not only that, they have failed in their duty under Regulation
18 of The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England
and Wales) Regulations 1996 (LATOR) to maintain the signs. In
addition, the duties of their CEOs demand that they report
missing signs and not serve PCNs to any cars parked therein.
Once again, a typical London council greedy for money, but
reluctant to spend the money on signs to advise motorists where
they can park.
#Post#: 83991--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest - 12s Parked in a residents or shared use
parking place without permit
DIR By: ipswichfan2
Date: August 4, 2025, 4:45 am
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Thanks both for your advice!
I've attached more photos of the bay in question that I took on
the day as well as showing some cars receiving a blue warning
notice (£0.00) and others receiving a yellow pcn (£160). Any
advice on wording to put into my appeal?
Thanks!!
HTML https://i.imgur.com/eXrFMjl.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/3lB82lG.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/p4Lswv1.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/nYX97As.jpeg
#Post#: 83994--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest - 12s Parked in a residents or shared use
parking place without permit
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: August 4, 2025, 4:56 am
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It's not an appeal but formal representations to the NTO.
I expect you got a live PCN because you had a warning one but
that's a red herring.
Draft something and we'll tweak it. Keep it short and reference
their wrong understanding of CPZs.
#Post#: 84001--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest - 12s Parked in a residents or shared use
parking place without permit
DIR By: ipswichfan2
Date: August 4, 2025, 5:29 am
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I actually received 2 PCN's back to back for the same thing. I
just noticed they mentioned the warning one on the appeal of the
second letter. Attached here.
Does this change my appeal at all?
HTML https://i.imgur.com/cT1Uk0P.png
HTML https://i.imgur.com/PGa4AQC.png
Thanks!
#Post#: 84009--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest - 12s Parked in a residents or shared use
parking place without permit
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 4, 2025, 6:17 am
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Was the warning notice for the bay where you got this PCN ?
#Post#: 84011--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest - 12s Parked in a residents or shared use
parking place without permit
DIR By: ipswichfan2
Date: August 4, 2025, 6:24 am
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Yes
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