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#Post#: 90934--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway)
Reading Borough Council
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: September 22, 2025, 8:54 am
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Looking at this again it was the car from of the Mini you were
waiting to pull out and take the space?
And you paid for parking?
Presumably you have a record of the parking payment so what time
was that?
Also you weren't waiting to reverse immediately I presume but
for the car to pull out and you drove past the slot and reversed
in?
#Post#: 90937--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway)
Reading Borough Council
DIR By: ConfusedD
Date: September 22, 2025, 9:02 am
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Yes, that's right — the car parked in front of the Mini was
pulling out, and I had reversed slightly to give them space to
move. My intention was to take that space as soon as they left.
And I did pay for parking but I don’t have the exact time or
details of the payment, gotta check my bank statements
#Post#: 90941--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway)
Reading Borough Council
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: September 22, 2025, 9:11 am
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Did you use a parking app as that will have a record.
But anyway you should address what the adjudicator will see in
the video as you were positioned correctly to allow the car out.
#Post#: 90949--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway)
Reading Borough Council
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: September 22, 2025, 9:54 am
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Do not concede anything like this or make apologies.
Remember their evidence i.e. a moving camera which had your
vehicle in sight for LESS THAN 1 SECOND.
How the **** could the authority make the claims they have? It's
preposterous.
Anyway, all you have to do at this stage is register your
appeal. We don't need War and Peace - despite your obvious
inclinations to write something of this length!
Contravention did not occur.
Procedural impropriety.
You rely upon your formal representations but will add further
representations after receipt of the authority's evidence.
Come back here when you've registered.
#Post#: 90950--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway)
Reading Borough Council
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: September 22, 2025, 10:00 am
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+1
and when registering, opt for a personal (=telephone or video)
hearing.
Never choose a decision on papers.
#Post#: 91052--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway)
Reading Borough Council
DIR By: ConfusedD
Date: September 23, 2025, 6:03 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> Did you use a parking app as that will have a record.
>
> But anyway you should address what the adjudicator will see in
the video as you were positioned correctly to allow the car out.
>
--- End Quote ---
Here’s the image from my CC statement — it shows the date and
lists Reading Reading RDG as the location, but there’s no other
detail related to parking.
HTML https://imgur.com/a/Js3DUbz
#Post#: 91053--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway)
Reading Borough Council
DIR By: ConfusedD
Date: September 23, 2025, 6:09 am
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> Do not concede anything like this or make apologies.
>
> Remember their evidence i.e. a moving camera which had your
vehicle in sight for LESS THAN 1 SECOND.
>
> How the **** could the authority make the claims they have?
It's preposterous.
>
> Anyway, all you have to do at this stage is register your
appeal. We don't need War and Peace - despite your obvious
inclinations to write something of this length!
>
> Contravention did not occur.
> Procedural impropriety.
>
> You rely upon your formal representations but will add further
representations after receipt of the authority's evidence.
>
> Come back here when you've registered.
>
--- End Quote ---
In their response, they stated:
CCTV footage clearly shows the vehicle had stopped. It also
shows the vehicle was causing an obstruction as the CCTV car had
to pull out into the opposite lane to get past the vehicle.
But isn’t it normal are they using the movement of their own
camera car as evidence of obstruction?
#Post#: 91215--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway)
Reading Borough Council
DIR By: ConfusedD
Date: September 24, 2025, 3:46 am
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Just trying to understand
#Post#: 91223--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway)
Reading Borough Council
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: September 24, 2025, 5:15 am
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The contravention is no stopping, so the length of the stop is
not the issue alone, but is when part of a driving situation in
the middle of the road adjacent to parking bays.
The adjudicator will want to look at the situation which you can
say was letting a car out of a parking bay so you could claim
it, a situation that happens 1000s of times a day.
#Post#: 91251--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway)
Reading Borough Council
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: September 24, 2025, 6:28 am
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Case reference
Appellant
Authority
VRM
PCN Details
PCN
Contravention date
Contravention time
Contravention location
Penalty amount
Contravention
Referral date
Decision Date
Adjudicator
Appeal decision
Direction
cancel the Penalty Charge Notice.
Reasons
The allegation in this case is that the vehicle was stopped
where prohibited (on a red route or clearway). The Appellant
does not dispute this but says that she only pulled up with a
view to parking in a bay. Having read the time plate she was
unsure if she was permitted to park so she drove away. She says
that she was only stopped for a minute.
The Enforcement Authority seek to enforce the PCN on the basis
the vehicle stopped on a double red line. The enforcement camera
evidence confirms this. However, this was only for 6 seconds and
the vehicle then began to reverse into a bay. A vehicle must
stop in order to be able to reverse park in a bay. I am
satisfied the 6-second stop was part of a traffic manoeuvre
which does not amount to a contravention, any more than if the
Appellant had been required to stop on the double red line in
traffic. Accordingly I allow the appeal.
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