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#Post#: 85363--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for failed to obtain a permit in accordance with
notified terms
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: August 12, 2025, 10:20 am
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[member=26]b789[/member][member=2228]Muhammad[/member] I am not
an expert in this field and I have no idea re this case frankly.
#Post#: 85578--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for failed to obtain a permit in accordance with
notified terms
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: August 13, 2025, 2:23 pm
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Try this: Thank you for your PCN. I deny liability for this and
am not prepared to waste my time making an appeal. Should you
wish to pursue the matter, you can do so via the Court system
Yours
***
I phoned another expert who is a solicitor and specialist in
this area. And go with @b789 as above.
#Post#: 85637--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for failed to obtain a permit in accordance with
notified terms
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: August 14, 2025, 4:21 am
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
>
> Try this: Thank you for your PCN. I deny liability for this
and am not prepared to waste my time making an appeal. Should
you wish to pursue the matter, you can do so via the Court
system
>
--- End Quote ---
I'm not sure I'd recommend that approach. The courts expect
potential litigants to treat court as a last resort, and make
efforts to resolve the matter without their involvement. If the
recipient of a parking charge is of the belief he does not owe
the money, he should set out the reasons why, not refuse to
engage altogether and say "see you in court".
If you're planning to fight the matter, you might as well do it
properly, and if so, you would be wise to show us the back of
the PCN, and photos of the signage at the site.
#Post#: 89765--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for failed to obtain a permit in accordance with
notified terms
DIR By: Muhammad
Date: September 13, 2025, 7:02 am
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Hi i have appealed them and they denied the appeal and asked me
to pay fine or take matter to Popla..So Experts please suggest
me what to do next .I am attaching the link here to what they
have said ..Please guide me..Thank you
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MmQ_3owGoWfsYDilhK5b8QqQYkp4X3i1/view?usp=drivesdk
#Post#: 89776--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for failed to obtain a permit in accordance with
notified terms
DIR By: jfollows
Date: September 13, 2025, 7:54 am
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What did your appeal say?
#Post#: 89792--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for failed to obtain a permit in accordance with
notified terms
DIR By: Muhammad
Date: September 13, 2025, 10:24 am
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Hi i have told them that i am not liable for this pcn ..And if
i have said something else there response should also be the
same ..They always deny it if you appeal to the related agency
..Thank you
#Post#: 89794--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for failed to obtain a permit in accordance with
notified terms
DIR By: roythebus
Date: September 13, 2025, 10:34 am
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It seems you have shot yourself in the foot by admitting to them
that you were the driver. I don't see any evidence on their
paperwork on the signage in the car park, where is it situated?
do you have a picture of it?
If they give you the option of an appeal to POPLA then the usual
suggestion is t take that offer even though POPLA will refuse
your appeal.
#Post#: 89804--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for failed to obtain a permit in accordance with
notified terms
DIR By: Muhammad
Date: September 13, 2025, 11:48 am
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Hi i have uploaded the pictures i have taken from the car
park..Please have a look ..It was not clear who are the permit
holders as the car park is right next to building in which
mosque is on ground floor and gym is on 3rd floor .. i was in
the mosque ..I thought it belongs to mosque as well..Please
suggest me what to do next..Thank you
#Post#: 89850--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for failed to obtain a permit in accordance with
notified terms
DIR By: b789
Date: September 14, 2025, 1:57 am
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You can use the following as your POPLA appeal:
--- Quote ---
> POPLA Verification Code: [insert]
> PCN Reference: [insert]
> VRM: [insert]
> Operator: Civil Enforcement Ltd
> Site: Golds Gym, Rainham Road South, Dagenham, Essex, RM10 8TX
> Incident time: 25/07/2025 14:24:12 to 14:46:38
> NtK issue date: 31/07/2025
>
> I am the registered keeper. This appeal is brought on two
grounds: (1) inadequate signage and inadequate notice of the
parking charge, and (2) no standing/landowner authority
compliant with the Private Parking Single Code of Practice
(PPSCoP).
>
> Ground 1: Inadequate signage and inadequate notice (PoFA
Schedule 4 paragraphs 2(2) and 2(3))
>
> The operator alleges “Failed to obtain a permit in accordance
with the notified terms.” The burden is on the operator to prove
that, before parking, clear and prominent signs adequately
brought both the terms and the parking charge to the attention
of a driver. PoFA Schedule 4 paragraphs 2(2)–(3) require
“adequate notice” of the parking charge, meaning notices that
specify the sum and are adequate to bring that sum to the notice
of drivers.
>
> This is a multi-occupancy site. The driver attended the
Dagenham Islamic Welfare Association and Mosque (Dagenham Jamme
Masjid) within the same building. On site, signs referred to
“permit holders” and did not clearly or prominently communicate
that bays were limited to gym members only or that a separate
whitelist/registration step applied to gym use. The first time
“gym” was understood was when the Notice to Keeper arrived. That
is not adequate notice of any core term or of a charge.
>
> The operator is put to strict proof by producing dated,
contemporaneous evidence from the material date: a complete
signage schedule with photographs of the entrance and all
internal signs visible from the bay used, showing exact wording,
font sizes, positioning, height, and illumination; a site plan
marking each sign and the route a driver would take; clear
evidence that the £100 sum and any “gym-only”/whitelist
requirement were brought to the driver’s attention before
parking; and copies of any VRM whitelist/registration logs for
the material date and time. The operator must also show clear
demarcation at the entrance and within the car park
distinguishing mosque/DIWA parking from any gym-only area, if
such a distinction exists. If these items cannot be shown, the
PoFA “adequate notice” test is not met and no contractual
liability can arise.
>
> Ground 2: No standing/landowner authority (PPSCoP section
14.1(a–j))
>
> The operator is put to strict proof that it holds a valid,
contemporaneous, and unredacted written agreement with the
landholder (or a complete and unbroken chain of authority)
authorising it to offer parking contracts on this land, to issue
and pursue parking charges, and to take legal action in its own
name. The evidence must meet every element of PPSCoP section
14.1(a–j, inclusive), including identification of the land and
parties, precise site definition, scope of authority,
commencement and expiry dates, renewal terms, operational
limitations, responsibilities for signage and compliance,
cancellation policies, and explicit rights to pursue charges and
litigation. A mere “authority to act” letter or a redacted or
unexecuted document is insufficient. Unless full compliance with
14.1(a–j) is evidenced, the operator has not shown standing to
pursue the keeper.
>
> Conclusion
>
> For the reasons above—lack of adequate notice under PoFA
Schedule 4 paragraphs 2(2)–(3) and failure to evidence landowner
authority compliant with PPSCoP 14.1(a–j)—I respectfully request
that POPLA allow this appeal.
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#Post#: 89854--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for failed to obtain a permit in accordance with
notified terms
DIR By: Muhammad
Date: September 14, 2025, 2:41 am
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Thank you so much ..I will try this and let you guys know that
how did it go..Thank you once again ..
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