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#Post#: 83802--------------------------------------------------
Failure to obtain a permit in accordance with notified terms:
Wandon Road, SW6 2JQ
DIR By: LemonTootski
Date: August 2, 2025, 10:36 am
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Hello,
I'm writing to seek your advice regarding a parking charge
notice I've received, as I believe there may be grounds to
challenge it.
I received a "Reminder Before Further Action" notice dated 28
July 2025 for £100 from Civil Enforcement. According to this
notice, the original PCN was supposedly issued on 11 July 2025,
but I am certain I never received the initial notice. The first
correspondence I received was this reminder on 28 July.
The details are as follows:
• Location: Wandon Road, London, SW6 2JQ
• Date of incident: 6 July 2025
• Alleged breach: "Failed to obtain a permit in accordance with
the notified terms"
My concerns are that, I never received the initial PCN dated 11
July 2025, yet they've proceeded directly to the reminder stage.
I realise this may not hold water. But two other issues plaugue
me:
1. Lack of evidence provided: The notice contains no
photographic evidence, no link to view recorded footage, and no
details about the specific parking restrictions or signage in
the area.
2. Unclear signage: From my recollection, any parking signs in
that location were not clearly visible or adequately informative
about permit requirements – and certainly not at tnight when
this incident supposedly occurred.
The notice threatens debt recovery action and court proceedings
if not paid within 14 days of the reminder date. Given that I
believe I have valid grounds to challenge this, I'd appreciate
your advice on:
• Whether the non-receipt of the original notice affects their
ability to pursue this
• The significance of their failure to provide supporting
evidence
• The best approach for challenging this PCN
• Whether I should pay under protest or refuse payment entirely
I have 28 days from the original PCN issue date to appeal (which
would be 8 August 2025), so time may be running short if we
decide to challenge it.
Would you be able to advise me on the strongest grounds for
appeal and the best way forward?
Thank you for your time, and I look forward to hearing from you.
Best regards,
HTML https://i.ibb.co/7dcf2G8q/pcn-redacted.jpg
#Post#: 83808--------------------------------------------------
Re: Failure to obtain a permit in accordance with notified
terms: Wandon Road, SW6 2JQ
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: August 2, 2025, 11:30 am
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Wandon Road has been an odd place for years. (I've known Fulham
for 50 years but now no longer live there - this was once the
access to the long-gone Chelsea & Fulham Station.)
It is definitely now private - Google hasn't been down but see
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/QoJLSUT2QhjrCpXL9
The road has been gated since at least 2008, but the private
parking signs erected since July 2022.
The letter sounded scammy to me, but the company does exist.
HTML https://www.ce-service.co.uk/
The Notice says "see the park signs for terms & conditions".
Youi need to find our about these signs - if you were parked
there, do you know someone there or in the area who could take a
photo for you?
Lastly, as this is a Private Parking matter, I'll move this
thread for the experts there to further advise.
#Post#: 83823--------------------------------------------------
Re: Failure to obtain a permit in accordance with notified
terms: Wandon Road, SW6 2JQ
DIR By: b789
Date: August 2, 2025, 1:56 pm
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[member=1458]LemonTootski[/member], this is not your first PCN
where you did not receive the initial Notice to Keeper (NtK).
Why do you keep using private land to park without checking for
any terms and conditions?
How are you getting on with your Group Nexus claim?
As for the location, this GSV image is from August last year and
at that time it very clearly had an entrance sign warning
drivers that it is private land for the use by permit holders
only.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/g0EFE58.jpeg
Most CEL NtKs are PoFA compliant unless it did not comply with
PoFA paragraph 9(2)(a) as it is likely that they did not include
a "period of parking", in which case the Keeper cannot be
liable, only the driver, who is unknown to them unless the
Keeper blabs it to them, inadvertently or otherwise.
As it is CEL, they are quite likely to try and take this to
court themselves, although they do occasionally use the inept
DCB Legal to do it for them.
I suggest you send a formal complaint to CEL about their failure
to issue an initial NtK. Demand strict proof that they did
actually send it and they just also provide you with a copy of
the original NtK. Once we get to see that, we will be in a
better position to advise on if or how to fight this.
Remember, you are doing all this only as the known Keeper. They
have no idea who the driver is and you are under no legal
obligation to provide the drivers details. Always refer to the
driver in the third person. No " I did this or that", only "the
driver did this or that".
#Post#: 84351--------------------------------------------------
Re: Failure to obtain a permit in accordance with notified
terms: Wandon Road, SW6 2JQ
DIR By: LemonTootski
Date: August 6, 2025, 2:59 am
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Hi [member=26]b789[/member], it's great to hear form you.
Yes, this How are you getting on with your Group Nexus claim is
still pending due for a hearing in November. They are yet to
send me their findings/details. I will update youy later in that
old thread in due course.
THe issue is that the warning sign is completly too small and
impossible to see as you enter it. Furthermore, it is titled at
an angle away from you as you turn into the road from the left
side.
It's interesting as you say the sign [according to GSV] has
been there since August 2024, as I remember my mother and I
parking there last July to celebate my younger brother's
graduation at a Chelsea wine bar - there were no signs there.
John U.K smentions the letter seems scammy... I'm not sure
there's anything not scammy about this company :)
But the main concerns are me not having this notice and
opportuinity to pay the reduced rate. But
[member=26]b789[/member], what you say about "unless it did not
comply with PoFA paragraph 9(2)(a) as it is likely that they did
not include a "period of parking", " is interesting.
How would I determine this, so i can draft it in a
representation? Could you shed some light?
Best
#Post#: 84356--------------------------------------------------
Re: Failure to obtain a permit in accordance with notified
terms: Wandon Road, SW6 2JQ
DIR By: Dave65
Date: August 6, 2025, 4:13 am
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You will need a copy of the original PPN.
#Post#: 84381--------------------------------------------------
Re: Failure to obtain a permit in accordance with notified
terms: Wandon Road, SW6 2JQ
DIR By: b789
Date: August 6, 2025, 5:07 am
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Send a formal complaint to CEL and demand that they provide a
copy of the original NtK. You can put them to strict proof that
they actually posted the original and their requirement to be
able to do so according to the PPSCoP section 8.1.2(e) Note 2.
#Post#: 84666--------------------------------------------------
Re: Failure to obtain a permit in accordance with notified
terms: Wandon Road, SW6 2JQ
DIR By: LemonTootski
Date: August 7, 2025, 2:05 pm
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Thanks all !
I have served this:
Dear Sir/Madam,
I am writing to formally complain about your failure to issue an
initial Notice to Keeper (NtK) in relation to the above parking
charge notice dated 11/07/2025 for an alleged incident on
06/07/2025 at Wandon Road, London, SW6 2JQ.
Complaint Details:
1.
Action" notice dated 28/07/2025, demanding £100, without having
received any initial Notice to Keeper.
2.
I am entitled to receive proper notification in accordance with
the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) and the Private
Parking Services Code of Practice (PPSCoP).
Formal Demands:
1.
actually sent an initial Notice to Keeper to the registered
keeper's address as held by DVLA. This must include:
o
o
o
o
2.
original Notice to Keeper that you claim to have sent, showing
all details as they appeared on the original document.
3.
Practice Section 8.1.2(e) Note 2, operators must be able to
demonstrate that notices have been properly served. Please
provide evidence of your compliance with this requirement.
Legal Position:
•
enforcement action may be invalid
•
for keeper liability to be established
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rate may constitute unfair treatment
I reserve all rights in this matter and expect a full response
within 14 days of receipt of this letter. Failure to provide the
requested evidence and documentation will be taken as an
admission that no valid initial NtK was sent.
I note that I am responding in my capacity as the registered
keeper only. The identity of the driver on the date in question
is not known to me, and I am under no legal obligation to
provide driver details.
I look forward to your prompt response with the requested
documentation.
Yours faithfully,
Let's here what ̶i̶n̶CEL have to say.
I'll keep you posted.
Best
Tootski
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