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#Post#: 84866--------------------------------------------------
Re: p4parking - southern housing private residents' parking PCNs
after SIPPI transition confusion
DIR By: b789
Date: August 9, 2025, 2:21 am
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Send it to both P4 and TNC. One of them ought to provide you
with a POPLA code when they automatically reject any initial
appeal.
Don't waste money on postage. Respond by email if possible,
CC'ing yourself into any correspondence or you can use their web
portal if they have one. Under no circumstances select any
option that admits liability. You are ONLY appealing as the
Keeper.
#Post#: 84887--------------------------------------------------
Re: p4parking - southern housing private residents' parking PCNs
after SIPPI transition confusion
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: August 9, 2025, 5:47 am
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OP, YOU don't send anything in your name in respect of this NTK
because it's not addressed to you.
I'll keep on this point and YOU must keep this in mind: the more
you write here and on your own behalf the more likely it is that
YOU will identify the driver, and if you do then if matters are
taken to court your main defence in law as regards PoFA has
gone.
The addressee may authorise you to act on their behalf (I think
on a case-by-case basis). Once you've produced a template letter
e.g. I hereby authorise [your name ] to act on my behalf as
registered keeper of VRM ***** and leaseholder of [property] in
all matters pertaining to your NTD/NTK no. ******, dated
*******.
Signed********
Then you may engage with whoever the notice requires and include
the authorisation.
Normal forum rules are one thread per notice and this one now
has 2 with possibly more to follow. If this remains then you'll
have to be clear which is which. You'll need something because
so far as far as the 'creditor' is concerned you've identified
yourself as being the keeper(for the NTD) and now someone
authorised by the keeper.
#Post#: 84888--------------------------------------------------
Re: p4parking - southern housing private residents' parking PCNs
after SIPPI transition confusion
DIR By: b789
Date: August 9, 2025, 6:14 am
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--- Quote from: beansprout link ---
>
> b789, how does the situation change regarding the lease
agreement considering that it is my father that owns the lease,
I live with him, and I am the registered keeper of the car. My
father is named on the car insurance and the digital permit for
the car is in his name.
>
--- End Quote ---
The OP is the RK. The notices are addressed to them.
#Post#: 84893--------------------------------------------------
Re: p4parking - southern housing private residents' parking PCNs
after SIPPI transition confusion
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: August 9, 2025, 7:25 am
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Thanks for clarifying, I said it's confusing!
So OP, you can act in your own name as regards parking charges
but only your father may act internally with Southern Housing.
So when you refer to 'attempts were made to contact Southern
Housing', by whom? Similarly, any application for a permit, even
for purely administrative purposes, doesn't lie with you.
#Post#: 85103--------------------------------------------------
Re: p4parking - southern housing private residents' parking PCNs
after SIPPI transition confusion
DIR By: beansprout
Date: August 11, 2025, 7:25 am
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Ok, well good news on the first 2 PCNs, got confirmation today
that Southern Housing / p4parking have cancelled them
--- Quote ---
>
> Thank you for your email and enquiry.
>
> I can confirm 8086329 & 8084695 are both cancelled.
>
> 8086309 is with debt collectors.
>
> Kind Regards,
> p4parking
>
--- End Quote ---
TNC say that p4parking only accept appeals by post at this
stage?
#Post#: 85105--------------------------------------------------
Re: p4parking - southern housing private residents' parking PCNs
after SIPPI transition confusion
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: August 11, 2025, 7:29 am
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--- Quote from: beansprout link ---
>
> 8086309 is with debt collectors.
>
--- End Quote ---
They say this as if this means it is in the lap of the gods and
entirely outside of their control - they're the ones who have
engaged said debt collectors!
#Post#: 85167--------------------------------------------------
Re: p4parking - southern housing private residents' parking PCNs
after SIPPI transition confusion
DIR By: beansprout
Date: August 11, 2025, 12:07 pm
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I've sent an email to complaints@p4parking.co.uk with b789's
suggested appeal.
The auto-reply says:
--- Quote ---
> An appeal can be lodged online at
HTML https://p4parking.zatappeal.com/
or by post to P4Parking (UK)
Ltd., Po Box 71107, London, SE18 9LB (for Scotland Appeals:
P4Parking (UK) Ltd., Po Box 15688, Edinburgh, Scotland, EH48
9BS) only within 28 days from the date of the notice to driver.
--- End Quote ---
Sounds like they're just going to say it's too late to appeal
and wont issue a POPLA code?
#Post#: 87962--------------------------------------------------
Re: p4parking - southern housing private residents' parking PCNs
after SIPPI transition confusion
DIR By: beansprout
Date: September 1, 2025, 5:29 am
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Ok, POPLA code received..
HTML https://ibb.co/album/5kYQ7C
Was curious to see what the photos showed seeing as the 2nd PCN
was never found on the windscreen, can definitely see on days 2
and 3, there were only 2 PCNs, but obviously hard to tell if one
was pulled off the windscreen by someone, or if the 2rd pcn was
never actually placed there. They do seem remarkably similarly
positioned (text upside down), but the PCN inside the envelope
seems slightly differently positioned, so I'm guessing it went
missing at some point between days 2 and 3
HTML https://i.ibb.co/N6Z23tn1/image.png
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#Post#: 91703--------------------------------------------------
Re: p4parking - southern housing private residents' parking PCNs
after SIPPI transition confusion
DIR By: beansprout
Date: September 27, 2025, 6:14 am
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Ok, trying to get the property management company to contact
p4parking to cancel the final ticket has been like pulling
teeth, so seeing as tomorrow is the last day for me to submit a
POPLA appeal (I think that's right? Issued on the 1st, 28 days
makes 28th the final day?).. looking like I'm going to have to
send something.
Should my appeal be pretty much the points suggested here?
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/p4parking-southern-housing-private-estate-parking-pcns-after-sippi-transition-co/msg84814/#msg84814
In terms of evidence, will I have to try and dig out evidence of
transfer of lease, or would it be enough to just send the lease
itself which doesn't have my father's name? Should I add a
signed letter from my father saying that it is a shared vehicle?
Or do I maybe just attach a copy of the car insurance with the
estate address and his name listed as named driver?
#Post#: 91709--------------------------------------------------
Re: p4parking - southern housing private residents' parking PCNs
after SIPPI transition confusion
DIR By: beansprout
Date: September 27, 2025, 6:25 am
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Also, is the fact that the signage had been removed and replaced
with signage from a new parking company by the time I received
the NtK itself a ground for appeal? How am I supposed to gather
evidence if it no longer exists to be photographed? It makes the
process unfair and one-sided.
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