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#Post#: 84692--------------------------------------------------
Re: Proof of observed times.
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: August 8, 2025, 4:07 am
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I'm reminded of General Melchett's phrase in Blackadder Goes
Forth.
In any event, if you're prepared to take this to adjudication
whatever the adverse financial consequences to you* might be,
then you* might still prevail if the authority mess up
procedurally.
*- are you the registered keeper with current DVLA data?
#Post#: 85184--------------------------------------------------
Re: Proof of observed times.
DIR By: LT
Date: August 11, 2025, 1:16 pm
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😆 Glad I’ve humoured you, I love Blackadder.
Yes, I am the Registered Keeper.
I’m not necessarily prepared to take this to Adjudication.
If the CEO has a time stamped note of when my vehicle was first
observed, it would be beyond foolish to challenge that, given
that I have no evidence to prove otherwise.
I would like to see the CEO’s evidence though.
#Post#: 85446--------------------------------------------------
Re: Proof of observed times.
DIR By: theronstar
Date: August 12, 2025, 7:09 pm
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--- Quote from: LT link ---
>
> If the CEO has a time stamped note of when my vehicle was
first observed, it would be beyond foolish to challenge that,
given that I have no evidence to prove otherwise.
> I would like to see the CEO’s evidence though.
>
--- End Quote ---
Did the traffic warden make a note of the valve position of your
wheels?
Did the traffic warden make notes after they issued the PCN? Are
you able to see the notes?
I am trying to think of any further information I can add.
At the start of a shift, a CEO prints a 'test ticket' with their
handheld. The purpose is to check that certain elements of the
test ticket are correct e.g. shoulder number, date, time.
In the event that the data is incorrect, the traffic warden
should not leave the office with that equipment.
#Post#: 85569--------------------------------------------------
Re: Proof of observed times.
DIR By: LT
Date: August 13, 2025, 1:05 pm
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^ Many thanks for your helpful reply.
To answer your question, BANES have replied, but with no mention
whatsoever of my specific query ant therefore no evidence
either.
The crux of this, which I think is relevant to any Code 30
contravention, is that whilst evidence (if requested) is always
provided with clear time stamped photographs when the PCN was
placed on the vehicle, it seems that evidence is not readily
proffered to support the time that the vehicle was first
observed.
#Post#: 85582--------------------------------------------------
Re: Proof of observed times.
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: August 13, 2025, 2:44 pm
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You can ask for the info, but at this stage they're not required
to provide.
Were it otherwise, IMO it would be an armchair(or perhaps
driver's seat) anarchist's charter.
#Post#: 86334--------------------------------------------------
Re: Proof of observed times.
DIR By: LT
Date: August 19, 2025, 12:15 pm
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The situation as of today, after having so far ignored my
requests by both email and telephone for supporting evidence of
the first observation time, is and I quote: "The case will
remain on hold until we are able to provide a response. No
further action is required on your part until you have received
our reply".
I still believe that for an alleged Code:30 contravention, it is
entirely reasonable to provide the evidence for the first
observed time as well as the time the PCN was issued, if
requested.
#Post#: 86337--------------------------------------------------
Re: Proof of observed times.
DIR By: LT
Date: August 19, 2025, 12:21 pm
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> You can ask for the info, but at this stage they're not
required to provide.
>
> Were it otherwise, IMO it would be an armchair(or perhaps
driver's seat) anarchist's charter.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks for your reply.
Although I must admit that I am puzzled as to why you would
think asking for supporting evidence to prove an alleged
contravention is somehow anarchistic.
#Post#: 86339--------------------------------------------------
Re: Proof of observed times.
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: August 19, 2025, 12:36 pm
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The implication being that a motorist in receipt of a PCN could
delay the enforcement process by demanding every item of the
authority's evidence!
#Post#: 86350--------------------------------------------------
Re: Proof of observed times.
DIR By: LT
Date: August 19, 2025, 1:33 pm
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> The implication being that a motorist in receipt of a PCN
could delay the enforcement process by demanding every item of
the authority's evidence!
>
--- End Quote ---
A PCN with a Code:30 contravention is issued when a vehicle has
stayed longer than the time allowed in a parking space with a
time limit. I don't believe I arrived that early, hence I want
the proof, before paying up.
Surely, if requested, it's entirely reasonable to see just two
items of supporting evidence. Namely proof of when the vehicle
was first observed and when the PCN was issued. For the latter,
BANES (as with all LA's I believe) were perfectly happy to
provide time stamped photographic evidence. Currently they are
being suspiciously evasive when it comes to proof of first
observation.
I would argue that for a LA, when requested, to not provide such
evidence, is them being dystopian and not me being anarchistic.
BTW, I am perfectly happy to be proved wrong, which is a
distinct possibility. After all, most of us will have make
mistakes with timings at some point in our lives and I am a
senior citizen. :)
#Post#: 86354--------------------------------------------------
Re: Proof of observed times.
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: August 19, 2025, 1:50 pm
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You're overthinking this. It's not an episode of Perry Mason.
From what I see they've not yet replied to your informal
challenge? So wait for that.
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