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       #Post#: 83767--------------------------------------------------
       Re: 3IJ -Box Jct New Kings Rd - Entering and stopping In a box
       Junction when prohibited 
   DIR By: Hippocrates
       Date: August 2, 2025, 3:31 am
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       Smiley not intended.
       Para. 4 (8 ) (v)  One has to move the right hand bracket after
       the 8 by one space to the right to achieve redacting the guy
       with the glasses! Our moderator taught me this.  8)  8)  8)  8)
       8)  8)  8)
       #Post#: 99230--------------------------------------------------
       Re: 3IJ -Box Jct New Kings Rd - Entering and stopping In a box
       Junction when prohibited 
   DIR By: LemonTootski
       Date: November 21, 2025, 2:05 pm
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       Hi [member=24]Hippocrates[/member]. Still wonder if you caught
       shingles in the end ?!?
       And hi [member=1]cp8759[/member] and
       [member=65]Chaseman[/member].
       Just keeping you updated with this case.
       Today I received this response to my representation. IT'S QUITE
       FUNNY. If you read their response letter, I don't think they've
       addressed my points made in any way shape or form regarding:
       a)  I make this collateral challenge against the validity of the
       PCN  as it does not state mandatory information provided at 4(8
       )(v)
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       which in turn refers to 4(8 )(iii). Therefore, the PCN is not
       valid as it is missing mandatory information.  The PCN
       incorrectly warns that an increased charge may be payable 28
       days from the "date of service" ("If you fail...etc). The
       governing legislation, (LLATL 2003 4(8)(iii)), stipulates this
       period runs from the "date of the notice".
       b) The PCN is invalid as it fails to comply with the statutory
       requirement under the LLAT(FL)A 2003 s.4(b), to specify the form
       in which representations are to be made.The notice contains
       contradictory and prejudicial instructions, stating first that
       "one or more" grounds may apply, yet immediately after,
       directing the recipient to "Please tick one of the set grounds
       listed below".
       And also, drivers must not stop on a box junction. The only
       exception is if they are intending to make a right hand turn.
       However, they can only do so if their exit road is clear. I was
       turning right, but is impossible to determine if our exit is
       clear, if the one or two cars way ahead suddenly stop dead in
       front of you. But this may be a weak point.
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       Given the circumstances, what do you suggest is my next move? I
       have been given the option of paying the £80 before the end of
       the period of 14 days from the notice of this below rejection
       (21/11/2025) or £160 15-28 days from the date of this notice.
       I'd be interested to hear what's your next move?
       Thanks
       LemonTootski
       #Post#: 99240--------------------------------------------------
       Re: 3IJ -Box Jct New Kings Rd - Entering and stopping In a box
       Junction when prohibited 
   DIR By: ivanleo
       Date: November 21, 2025, 2:56 pm
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       --- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
       >
       > Smiley not intended.
       >
       >
       > Para. 4 (8 ) (v)  One has to move the right hand bracket after
       the 8 by one space to the right to achieve redacting the guy
       with the glasses! Our moderator taught me this.  8)  8)  8)  8)
       8)  8)  8)
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I'm not sure I did, in the "Attachments and other options"
       dropdown when you reply to a post there's a tickbox for "Don't
       use smileys" which you can use.
       #Post#: 99243--------------------------------------------------
       Re: 3IJ -Box Jct New Kings Rd - Entering and stopping In a box
       Junction when prohibited 
   DIR By: Hippocrates
       Date: November 21, 2025, 3:23 pm
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       Failure to consider. The smiley appears if you do not use the
       space bar after the 8.
       #Post#: 99818--------------------------------------------------
       Re: 3IJ -Box Jct New Kings Rd - Entering and stopping In a box
       Junction when prohibited 
   DIR By: LemonTootski
       Date: November 25, 2025, 5:32 pm
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       Hi
       Just wondered if anyone had any advice about this?
       Thanks
       #Post#: 99956--------------------------------------------------
       Re: 3IJ -Box Jct New Kings Rd - Entering and stopping In a box
       Junction when prohibited 
   DIR By: Hippocrates
       Date: November 26, 2025, 12:05 pm
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       Failure to consider. Yor money, of course, but I would take it
       to the Tribunal. BTW I have 3 of my own live at present.
       #Post#: 99963--------------------------------------------------
       Re: 3IJ -Box Jct New Kings Rd - Entering and stopping In a box
       Junction when prohibited 
   DIR By: LemonTootski
       Date: November 26, 2025, 1:33 pm
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       --- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
       >
       > Failure to consider. Yor money, of course, but I would take it
       to the Tribunal. BTW I have 3 of my own live at present.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Sorry, i'm not legal, but my layman's brain assumes that i
       should take this to tribunal based on the grounds they Failure
       to consider or take into account relevant information or
       arguments presented to then regarding the procedural error ?
       Am i correct in assuming this?
       And how do i take it to tribunal? just leave it/ ignore them
       until i get a court summons? Do i now deliberately not respond
       to their action within 14/28 days?
       Can you please advise in a tad more detail. I'd really
       appreciate it.
       #Post#: 99967--------------------------------------------------
       Re: 3IJ -Box Jct New Kings Rd - Entering and stopping In a box
       Junction when prohibited 
   DIR By: Hippocrates
       Date: November 26, 2025, 3:10 pm
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       I'll PM you tomorrow as very busy with 6 cases on Friday.
       #Post#: 100589--------------------------------------------------
       Re: 3IJ -Box Jct New Kings Rd - Entering and stopping In a box
       Junction when prohibited 
   DIR By: LemonTootski
       Date: December 1, 2025, 3:04 pm
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       Hi [member=24]Hippocrates[/member] / or anyone else.
       Sorry to bother you, but I have a payment deadline of Wed 3 Dec.
       Just wondering if you have any advice for this one?
       thanks
       #Post#: 100595--------------------------------------------------
       Re: 3IJ -Box Jct New Kings Rd - Entering and stopping In a box
       Junction when prohibited 
   DIR By: Hippocrates
       Date: December 1, 2025, 3:37 pm
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       Failure to consider is a ground of appeal. You have 28 days from
       date of service of the NOR to lodge an appeal. 2 working days
       from the date of the NOR. 19th December.
       5th December is deadline to pay discount.
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