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#Post#: 83523--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stopped in a restricted area outside a school - Given ticket
after school closed for summer
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: July 30, 2025, 4:34 pm
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This is likely to simplify matters UNLESS the lease company pays
the penalty and recharges you.
As mentioned previously, if you can you need to get them to
transfer liability so that you could deal with this in your own
name.
If you write to them, use the term 'transfer liability', do NOT
specify or suggest how.
The rationale is that they would likely use the 'we are a hire
company blah blah..' grounds, but these are not lawful grounds
and this would be the basis of any reps and subsequent appeal by
you. A lease is NOT a 'hiring agreement'.
#Post#: 90875--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stopped in a restricted area outside a school - Given ticket
after school closed for summer
DIR By: challenge_cheaters
Date: September 21, 2025, 4:45 pm
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Sadly, Harrow rejected the appeal I wrote:
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Here's their response:
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The 14-day discount period will end Friday 26 September.
Please can you help.
#Post#: 90895--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stopped in a restricted area outside a school - Given ticket
after school closed for summer
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: September 22, 2025, 4:13 am
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You didn't post a draft - you should have copied the school's
term info and then said as the term had ended enforcement could
not apply according to their order.
All you have is a template rejection.
You can write to them now spelling this out to try and head off
the NTO or paying.
#Post#: 90901--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stopped in a restricted area outside a school - Given ticket
after school closed for summer
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: September 22, 2025, 4:25 am
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What have you done regarding the lease company? Do you even know
what their practice is on receipt of a NTO?
#Post#: 90999--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stopped in a restricted area outside a school - Given ticket
after school closed for summer
DIR By: challenge_cheaters
Date: September 22, 2025, 4:16 pm
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> You didn't post a draft - you should have copied the school's
term info and then said as the term had ended enforcement could
not apply according to their order.
>
> All you have is a template rejection.
>
> You can write to them now spelling this out to try and head
off the NTO or paying.
>
--- End Quote ---
Sorry, I should of explained. I posted the school terms info
with proof that it closed early that day.
#Post#: 91000--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stopped in a restricted area outside a school - Given ticket
after school closed for summer
DIR By: challenge_cheaters
Date: September 22, 2025, 4:19 pm
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> What have you done regarding the lease company? Do you even
know what their practice is on receipt of a NTO?
>
--- End Quote ---
The ticket was left on the car - so there was no opportunity for
them to contact the Lease company. I just appealed directly on
the website.
#Post#: 91006--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stopped in a restricted area outside a school - Given ticket
after school closed for summer
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: September 22, 2025, 5:00 pm
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Yes I saw your challenge but you posted a link, which is not a
good idea.
The next stage is a notice to owner, which is posted to the
registered keeper, which is why you need to find out what the
keeper will do when it gets it.
#Post#: 104480--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stopped in a restricted area outside a school - Given ticket
after school closed for summer
DIR By: challenge_cheaters
Date: January 4, 2026, 6:15 am
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Hi All, thanks for your help thus far. Finally received the NTO.
I believe the 28-day deadline would end 15 Jan 2026. Please can
you help. Here is my proposed challenge (which I used for the
appeal previously - originally using links and not attachments,
but now including attachments):
To Whom It May Concern
The driver believed the no stopping sign with specified times
applied only
during term time. Their sons finished school early that day, see
attached proof. Based on the fact the term had ended,
enforcement could not apply according to the order.
Although term time isn’t stated on the sign, it’s illogical to
enforce such specific
Times year-round when school isn’t in session. Research revealed
the Harrow
(Prohibition of Stopping Outside Schools) (Amendment No. 1)
Traffic Order 1998,
which confirms the restriction applies during term time only
(see attached).
The sign contradicts the order by implying year-round
enforcement. Therefore,
The PCN should be cancelled.
If not, please provide the Traffic Management Order that
supersedes the 1998 one
and explicitly authorises all-year restrictions, rather than
relying on misleading
signage..
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#Post#: 104525--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stopped in a restricted area outside a school - Given ticket
after school closed for summer
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: January 4, 2026, 10:03 am
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Is the NTO in your name?
I would be more direct.
The contravention did not occur as the restriction only applies
during time time, and term had finished earlier that day as the
school confirms.
The evidence for this is...
#Post#: 105777--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stopped in a restricted area outside a school - Given ticket
after school closed for summer
DIR By: challenge_cheaters
Date: January 13, 2026, 3:29 pm
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> Is the NTO in your name?
>
> I would be more direct.
>
> The contravention did not occur as the restriction only
applies during time time, and term had finished earlier that day
as the school confirms.
>
> The evidence for this is...
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes, in my name. Thanks for the advice. I'll give that a go.
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