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#Post#: 95587--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of London, Code 53 - Restriction on vehicles entering a
pedestrian zone, Old Broad Street x2
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 25, 2025, 6:25 pm
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The letter really shows their disgraceful ignorance. Both PCNs
were issued under the London Local Authorities and Transport for
London Act 2003, so have nothing to do with the Transport
Management Act 2004. The only common features is (1) owner
liability, (2) PCNs cn be served, and (3) there is an
adjudication facility. They also refer to making a "Witness
Statement" which is the submission for the TMA 2004. The LLA &
TfL Act 2003 requires submission of a Statutory Declaration.
It really is disgraceful how ignorant they are.
I'm not clear if you submitted reps against this PCN or not. If
you submitted a single representation with references to both
PCNs, then you need to wait for the Order for Recovery and
submit a Statutory Declaration that you submitted reps, but
received no notice of rejection. The form is PE3 and requires
that it is witnessed by a solicitor or at your local county
court.
HTML https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/form-pe3-challenge-an-unpaid-penalty-charge-notice
#Post#: 95607--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of London, Code 53 - Restriction on vehicles entering a
pedestrian zone, Old Broad Street x2
DIR By: hirerspcn
Date: October 26, 2025, 7:24 am
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I did submit reps/comments after i received the charge
certificate, i did receive the acknowledgement email for this
PCN.
What should i do for the 1st PCN that was rejected? I have ~2
days to pay for the reduced amount, if the advise is to pay.
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#Post#: 95645--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of London, Code 53 - Restriction on vehicles entering a
pedestrian zone, Old Broad Street x2
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 26, 2025, 12:45 pm
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Have you checked the audit trail for the 2nd PCN that you claim
to have submitted reps against ?
For the first PCN, whether to take them to London Tribunals is
your decision if they have re-offered the discount. If they
haven't it is a total no-brainer to take them there as you have
nothing more to lose. The problem with sign adequacy is it is
subjective, so an adjudicator could agree with you or CoL, it
depends on how persuasive your reps are. Your argument is
essentially the situation requires two, not one sign, due to
risk of obscuration.
#Post#: 95686--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of London, Code 53 - Restriction on vehicles entering a
pedestrian zone, Old Broad Street x2
DIR By: hirerspcn
Date: October 26, 2025, 6:04 pm
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Is there anyone willing to represent me as i am unable to do so?
If not then I will pay while i have the chance to pay the
reduced amount.
For the second PCN, where and how can i check the audit trail? I
have gone on the portal and it doesn’t show the date i submitted
the representations, it only shows CC sent and the date.
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#Post#: 95826--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of London, Code 53 - Restriction on vehicles entering a
pedestrian zone, Old Broad Street x2
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 27, 2025, 5:53 pm
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> Is there anyone willing to represent me as i am unable to do
so? If not then I will pay while i have the chance to pay the
reduced amount.
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> For the second PCN, where and how can i check the audit trail?
I have gone on the portal and it doesn’t show the date i
submitted the representations, it only shows CC sent and the
date.
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If it doesn't show an entry for your reps and their response,
then they didn't receive your reps. How did you send them ? You
need to wait for the Order for Recovery, then submit a Statutory
Declaration that you submitted reps but did not receive a
rejection. It's Form PE3 on the TEC website.
Some people to represent appellants, but it is a very time
consuming thing to do. I know Hippocrates does some but I know
he is a bit overwhelmed at the moment. I think it is best to pay
this one at the discount.
#Post#: 95982--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of London, Code 53 - Restriction on vehicles entering a
pedestrian zone, Old Broad Street x2
DIR By: hirerspcn
Date: October 28, 2025, 3:38 pm
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Ok so i have paid for the first PCN unfortunately.
For the second one i sent the comments via the online portal,
which i received a confirmation email. Will my appeal be
accepted even after i have received a Charge certificate? I did
send an appeal for the first PCN (which i received a rejection)
on the portal but it only applied for that specific PCN and not
both.
After i received a CC i added comments to say that i sent an
appeal for both PCNs (see previous confirmation email)
How long should i wait for the order of recovery, I do not want
this to be delayed.
#Post#: 96001--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of London, Code 53 - Restriction on vehicles entering a
pedestrian zone, Old Broad Street x2
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 28, 2025, 5:44 pm
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> Ok so i have paid for the first PCN unfortunately.
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> For the second one i sent the comments via the online portal,
which i received a confirmation email. Will my appeal be
accepted even after i have received a Charge certificate? I did
send an appeal for the first PCN (which i received a rejection)
on the portal but it only applied for that specific PCN and not
both.
>
> After i received a CC i added comments to say that i sent an
appeal for both PCNs (see previous confirmation email)
>
> How long should i wait for the order of recovery, I do not
want this to be delayed.
>
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Their log of your PCN shows nothing about representations
submitted or responded, so you can get the matter reset to the
PCN stage by submitting a Statutory Declaration that you
submitted reps but got no rejection, when they register the debt
at TEC. They can do this only after the payment period on the CC
has expired. It is a routine matter and hundreds if not
thousands of these are submitted every year. An in-time
submission is accepted automatically, and no reasons are needed,
just the relevant box ticked, and, of course the SD can only be
signed and dated in the presence of a witness.
So once the CC payment period expires, you should contact TEC
about every 7-10 days enquiring whether the PCN has been
registered, as it is a very important final statutory
enforcement document.
ALternatively you could look on the CoL website record for your
PCN, and when the amount goes up by £10, (the TEC registration
fee), you don't have to wait for the OfR, you can download Form
PE3 from the TEC website.
#Post#: 121749--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of London, Code 53 - Restriction on vehicles entering a
pedestrian zone, Old Broad Street x2
DIR By: hirerspcn
Date: June 14, 2026, 11:44 am
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Received Order for Recovery.
I was shocked when I received this because i thought i paid, but
it was in fact for only one of the PCNs. I totally forgot about
this and never followed up, is there any way to get the discount
amount to pay?
Here is the letter in full;
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Re: City of London, Code 53 - Restriction on vehicles entering a
pedestrian zone, Old Broad Street x2
DIR By: hirerspcn
Date: June 16, 2026, 3:28 am
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Please can i have some advice on this.
#Post#: 121922--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of London, Code 53 - Restriction on vehicles entering a
pedestrian zone, Old Broad Street x2
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 16, 2026, 4:07 am
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> Please can i have some advice on this.
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> I totally forgot about this and never followed up,
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Form PE3 allows one to submit a Statutory Declaration against an
OfR, see below, but one can only submit for a small list of
circumstances. Do your cover any of those in the form ?
HTML https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/form-pe3-challenge-an-unpaid-penalty-charge-notice
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