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#Post#: 82831--------------------------------------------------
City of London, Code 53 - Restriction on vehicles entering a
pedestrian zone, Old Broad Street x2
DIR By: hirerspcn
Date: July 26, 2025, 10:42 am
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City of London - Code 53
Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a
pedestrian zone
Old Broad Street:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/zLMPUQqGt7DXEePGA
PCN 1:
HTML https://imgur.com/a/BSGYI2a
PCN 2:
HTML https://imgur.com/a/xnYpS14
I am renting this vehicle and the hire company transferred
liability to me as stated in my hire agreement.
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I received 2 of the same PCN on different days, and they both
show on the PCN portal.
I have used this street hundreds of times before to set down a
passenger and was surprised to learn I received 2 PCNs at this
location.
Looking at the video, it looks like the council changed the
signs from Access only to 7am–7pm, and I was not aware of this.
Even though I was not aware I do take responsibility, do I have
any chance of winning an appeal?
This is the first set of letters I have received from the
council, and it doesn't look like I can submit an informal
appeal. On the portal I can only submit representations, is this
normal?
#Post#: 82851--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of London, Code 53 - Restriction on vehicles entering a
pedestrian zone, Old Broad Street x2
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 26, 2025, 12:26 pm
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YOu only get one go at submitting reps for postal PCNs. If they
reject them, the next stage is London Tribunals.
The single sign on GSV has no days or times, so is 24x7.
However it allows access. This means access to properties along
the street, but no further. So please tell us more, and a viable
appeal argument may be available.
Is the sign on the GSV view of 2024 still the same ?
#Post#: 82857--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of London, Code 53 - Restriction on vehicles entering a
pedestrian zone, Old Broad Street x2
DIR By: hirerspcn
Date: July 26, 2025, 1:27 pm
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Does access include Liverpool street station? You have to turn
right from Old broad street.
The underground station is on the corner of Old broad street and
Liverpool Street.
--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
>
> Is the sign on the GSV view of 2024 still the same ?
>
--- End Quote ---
I don’t understand your question.
#Post#: 82878--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of London, Code 53 - Restriction on vehicles entering a
pedestrian zone, Old Broad Street x2
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: July 26, 2025, 5:05 pm
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--- Quote from: hirerspcn link ---
>
> Does access include Liverpool street station? You have to turn
right from Old broad street.
>
> The underground station is on the corner of Old broad street
and Liverpool Street.
>
>
> [quote author=Incandescent link=topic=7415.msg82851#msg82851
date=1753550769]
>
> Is the sign on the GSV view of 2024 still the same ?
>
--- End Quote ---
I don’t understand your question.
[/quote]
You posted up a link to GSV from Oct 2024. This shows the sign
on Old Broad Street. I believe [member=12]Incandescent[/member]
is asking whether the GSV Oct 2024 sign is still there or has it
changed?
I've had look at the video evidence. The videos suggest that the
sign present on the dates of the alleged contraventions are
different from GSV of Oct 2024.
However the videos are of too poor resolution to read properly.
I believe there is now a time restriction that says something
like 'Mon-??? 7am-7pm' (please don't rely on that) with three
words underneath in a separate section which I can't make out.
#Post#: 82888--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of London, Code 53 - Restriction on vehicles entering a
pedestrian zone, Old Broad Street x2
DIR By: hirerspcn
Date: July 26, 2025, 10:40 pm
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I don't believe the sign is still there, and that is the latest
update from GSV. I have used this street many times prior to
these dates and have never received a PCN.
From the image/video, what I can tell is that it says:
Mon - Fri
7 am - 7 pm
Except local
Buses
#Post#: 82912--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of London, Code 53 - Restriction on vehicles entering a
pedestrian zone, Old Broad Street x2
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: July 27, 2025, 5:02 am
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This extract from a refused private hire case may shed some
light on this.
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Case reference
2250042014
The Notice of Rejection took into account the mitigating point
about being able to collect passengers on Old Broad Street. It
emphasised that the activity was only prohibited at the specific
section of the street in which the vehicle was driven. The
activity could be accomplished elsewhere on the street.
‘There are signs at the entrance to Old Broad Street junction
with London Wall/Wormwood Street which indicate the prohibition
of motor vehicles except for access and local buses only. We
will not enforce against vehicles which drive past these signs
to load/unload, drop off/pick up passengers.
However, further along at the junction of Old Broad Street and
Broad Street Avenue there is a prohibition traffic sign in place
that clearly advise motorists that between the hours of 7am and
7pm Monday to Friday this part of Old Broad Street is a
pedestrianised zone and motor vehicles (except local buses) are
not permitted to pass this sign. This is the reason the PCN was
issued.’
#Post#: 83235--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of London, Code 53 - Restriction on vehicles entering a
pedestrian zone, Old Broad Street x2
DIR By: hirerspcn
Date: July 28, 2025, 7:25 pm
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OK so I totally misinterpreted this PCN. Today I drove past just
to get some clarity, and the sign hasn't changed as I thought.
The sign that I thought was changed is the entrance to Old broad
street coming in from London Wall or Wormwood street.
The sign that the PCN is referencing is just past Broad Street
Avenue, and it looks like the sign has been there for at least 2
years, from this image I found on Google Maps.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/KCmt2iw3JhVudPaD9
This is confusing because I don't ever recall seeing this sign,
and if you do go past the sign, you can't go any further ahead
as the road markings tell you to turn right (onto Liverpool
Street)
There are signs on London Wall
(
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/7Y8nAdd76RASMpxq8)
and Wormwood street
(
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/u1dEjhCaDv8RZeCKA)
saying Old broad
street is local buses and access only, nothing about timed
access.
How do I go about this from here?
#Post#: 83644--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of London, Code 53 - Restriction on vehicles entering a
pedestrian zone, Old Broad Street x2
DIR By: hirerspcn
Date: July 31, 2025, 4:27 pm
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Any guidance please
#Post#: 83648--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of London, Code 53 - Restriction on vehicles entering a
pedestrian zone, Old Broad Street x2
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 31, 2025, 6:08 pm
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--- Quote from: hirerspcn link ---
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> Any guidance please
>
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Essentially, it comes down to the question of - is the signage
adequate to announce the restriction to the oncoming motorist ?
This is the test councils have to meet to satisfy their
obligation in Regulation 18 of the The Local Authorities’
Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996'
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/regulation/18
So if you want to take CoL all the way to London Tribunals for
an unbiased opinion, the onus would be on you to show that the
signs CoL have erected are inadequate to convey the restriction.
"Adequate" is subjective, so it comes down to what the
adjudicator considers as adequate. Certainly the CoL will not
give way on this as they keep your money if you cough-up.
So really it is your decision. It's very difficult to give an
opinion on chance of success without seeing the actual signs on
GSV and any advance warning signs. You have drive the route so
are in the best position. We see lots of people using satnav and
missing signs that are there in front of them; is this you ?
#Post#: 83712--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of London, Code 53 - Restriction on vehicles entering a
pedestrian zone, Old Broad Street x2
DIR By: hirerspcn
Date: August 1, 2025, 9:54 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
>
>
>
>
> So really it is your decision. It's very difficult to give an
opinion on chance of success without seeing the actual signs on
GSV and any advance warning signs. You have drive the route so
are in the best position. We see lots of people using satnav and
missing signs that are there in front of them; is this you ?
>
--- End Quote ---
Essentially, there is only 1 sign, the photo in my previous
comment. The other day I drove past this road because there are
roadworks on Liverpool street and can confirm there is only 1
sign on the left.
I can go there again and take some photos. If I do go there,
what photos should I be taking? Just the sign or anything else?
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