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#Post#: 82966--------------------------------------------------
Re: SABA, railway property, Penalty Notice to OWNER
DIR By: martin_t
Date: July 27, 2025, 9:54 am
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Indeed.
Maybe saba would like to consult the freely available 'Register
of Vehicle Owners'. Do you have contact details for such a thing
;D
#Post#: 84667--------------------------------------------------
Re: SABA, railway property, Penalty Notice to OWNER
DIR By: martin_t
Date: August 7, 2025, 2:53 pm
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I received the standard response from DVLA a couple of days ago.
So, just for the record:
HTML [img]http://
HTML https://i.imgur.com/OxcfwMa.png[/img]
HTML [img]http://
HTML https://i.imgur.com/Ugo7DsH.png[/img]
Or this (as the above doesn't seem to work - despite following
the instructions)
HTML https://imgur.com/a/zWkzp7T
DVLA level 2 response now?
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Re: SABA, railway property, Penalty Notice to OWNER
DIR By: b789
Date: August 8, 2025, 5:45 am
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Usual DVLA fob-off. Send the following email to
dvla.complaints@dvla.gov.uk and CC
kadoeservice.support@dvla.gov.uk and yourself:
--- Quote ---
> Subject: Step 2 Escalation – Misuse of DVLA Data by SABA UK
Ltd – Reference 0413745
>
> Dear Data Assurance Team,
>
> DVLA Reference: 0413745
> Date of DVLA Step 1 Response: 5 August 2025
>
> I am writing to formally escalate my complaint to Step 2 of
the DVLA complaints process, following the unsatisfactory
response I received at Step 1.
>
> My original complaint, dated 31 July 2025, concerned the
misuse of DVLA-supplied vehicle keeper data by SABA Park
Services UK Ltd, a British Parking Association (BPA) member
operating under the Approved Operator Scheme (AOS). The penalty
notice issued by SABA relates to an alleged breach of Railway
Byelaw 14 and falsely asserts that, in addition to criminal
prosecution, “legal action may be taken via the Civil Procedure
in the County Court”.
>
> This is factually and legally incorrect. A breach of Railway
Byelaw 14 is a summary-only criminal offence, enforceable
exclusively via prosecution in the Magistrates’ Court. There is
no legal basis for recovery via civil litigation or the Civil
Procedure Rules. The claim that a civil court route is available
is not only misleading — it is a fiction invented to coerce
payment.
>
> The Step 1 response entirely failed to engage with the
substance of this complaint. The following issues remain
unresolved:
>
> [indent]1. Failure to assess whether the use of DVLA data
breaches the KADOE contract
>
> The use of keeper data to send misleading notices falsely
implying civil recovery is not authorised under Regulation
27(1)(e) of the Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing)
Regulations 2002 or under the KADOE contract. The data was
supplied for a specific lawful purpose, not to facilitate
misrepresentation of enforcement options.
>
> 2. Failure to respond to the question of lawfulness
>
> I asked whether the DVLA accepts that keeper data is being
used by SABA in connection with an enforcement route that is not
legally available. The response merely reiterated standard
policy on “reasonable cause,” ATA membership, and the BPA’s
role, without addressing whether this particular usage is
lawful, accurate, or contractually compliant.
>
> 3. Failure to confirm referral to compliance/enforcement team
>
> I explicitly requested that the matter be referred to the
DVLA’s compliance and enforcement team for investigation under
the KADOE contract. The Step 1 response does not confirm whether
any such referral was made.
>
> 4. Failure to consider data misuse under UK GDPR and section
171 of the Data Protection Act 2018
>
> If keeper data is used for a purpose that was not lawful, fair
or transparent, or used in a misleading and coercive manner,
this may constitute a breach of data protection law. This aspect
was entirely overlooked.[/indent]
>
> The DVLA's reliance on BPA membership as a safeguard is
insufficient in this context. BPA membership cannot legitimise
the misuse of personal data or override the statutory framework
governing criminal offences. Moreover, the BPA is not a
statutory regulator and does not have legal authority to
determine the lawfulness of enforcement methods.
>
> In summary, I am not seeking DVLA arbitration in a contractual
dispute. I am raising concerns about the systematic misuse of
DVLA-supplied data, which:
>
> [indent]• misrepresents the legal status of a penalty notice,
> • threatens enforcement methods not permitted under law, and
> • thereby breaches the DVLA's own KADOE contract and possibly
the UK GDPR.[/indent]
>
> I expect DVLA, as the data controller, to assess whether
SABA's practices are compatible with the stated purposes for
which the data was released, and to confirm whether the matter
has been referred to its internal compliance or enforcement
function.
>
> Please treat this as a formal Step 2 complaint. I would
appreciate confirmation of receipt and a timeline for your
review.
>
> Yours faithfully,
>
> [Full name]
>
> [Address or other identifying details, if needed to match the
case]
> [Optional: Attach the SABA notice again for reference]
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 91655--------------------------------------------------
Re: SABA, railway property, Penalty Notice to OWNER
DIR By: martin_t
Date: September 26, 2025, 10:22 am
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An update...
DVLA Step 2 Escalation was emailed on 12/8/25. No response so
far. Shocked! Shall I poke them?
First ZZPS money demand with menaces received on 22/8/25
Second ZZPS money demand with menaces seemingly posted on
8/9/25. Due to holidays from 8th to 23rd Sept, received on
23/9/25
HTML https://i.imgur.com/mNz0gSp.jpeg
#Post#: 91658--------------------------------------------------
Re: SABA, railway property, Penalty Notice to OWNER
DIR By: b789
Date: September 26, 2025, 10:46 am
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You should prompt the DVLA for a response to your step 2
complaint.
When you receive the letter from GCTT, their supposed
"enforcement agents", have a look at the small print on the
bottom of the letter if you want a laugh!
I think Deborah just hands the file to Tim (nice but dim)
sitting next to her.
If it was me and I had the time, I'd be responding to these
cretins and winding them up no end. Not because I have to but I
enjoy the sport.
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Re: SABA, railway property, Penalty Notice to OWNER
DIR By: martin_t
Date: September 26, 2025, 10:50 am
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Deborah has such a lovely signature, so I'm sure she's a great
person. Shame about Tim though. I wonder if his signature is,
er, a bit faded...
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Re: SABA, railway property, Penalty Notice to OWNER
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: September 26, 2025, 10:52 am
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The "We are surprised that this matter remains unresolved" line
always makes me laugh - ZZPS are debt collectors, every single
case sent their way is unresolved.
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Re: SABA, railway property, Penalty Notice to OWNER
DIR By: martin_t
Date: September 26, 2025, 10:54 am
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Yeah, and on reflection, I've changed my mind about Deborah.
She's too passive-aggressive for me.
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Re: SABA, railway property, Penalty Notice to OWNER
DIR By: martin_t
Date: October 1, 2025, 9:02 am
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Ooohhhh...
HTML https://i.ibb.co/Swgg1mKq/Enforcement-1.jpg
I followed your instructions and had a giggle.
I'm curious about how you'd wind them up! I'm sure it would be
at least as amusing as GCCT's footer.
I've also sent the following to DVLA:
"Dear Data Assurance Team,
I have yet to receive a response to my previous email (dated
12/8/25) escalating my complaint to Step 2 of the DVLA
complaints process.
Six weeks plus without any response appears unfortunate.
However, if you consider that this is not unacceptable I would
appreciate some indication of the timeframe to respond that you
aim to achieve.
Yours faithfully,"
I fear some of the lovely Deborah's passive-aggressive-ness has
rubbed off onto me :-X ;D
#Post#: 92417--------------------------------------------------
Re: SABA, railway property, Penalty Notice to OWNER
DIR By: b789
Date: October 1, 2025, 1:47 pm
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Consider that letter as free hamster bedding if you shred it
finely enough.
Think about it... "transfer to solicitors". What does that mean?
Are they really going to try and sue a county court claim under
civil contract law for a Penalty Notice issued under statutory
railway byelaws which is a criminal matter which can only be
heard in a magistrate's court?
Just sit back and enjoy the farce that is unfolding.
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