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35 on a 30 intersection on a 40 road.
DIR By: shreeni
Date: July 25, 2025, 12:06 pm
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Hi all,
I was caught for speeding (30 on a 20) in Nov 2023, and offered
the course which I did. Ever since I have been extra careful,
driving well within limits.
Recently, I was driving at 35 on an otherwise 40 road (Great
West Road, from Osterley to Hounslow heading westward), but with
a 30 at the Sutton Ln intersection. I checked on google maps and
it seems that there are exactly 2 30 markers, one about 100m
before the intersection and one just at the intersection, both
small signs, only on the left lane. It is a 3-lane carriageway
and I was driving on the rightmost lane. It is not an excuse but
genuinely I missed the updated speed limit. There is absolutely
nothing close to where I was driving to indicate it is a 30.
(I don’t know if the 30 markers and camera were only recently
installed, but I don’t recall it being there a while back).
Anyhow I have now received the option of 3 points (and the £100
fine). I don’t have any points ever in my 6 years of having the
licence, but I would genuinely like to avoid. I also feel that I
have been trapped by the lack of good signs.
If I contest this in the magistrate’s court, I will do it on the
same grounds listed above. I presume I can fight this myself and
don’t need to involve lawyers.
Is there any chance at all I will win?
If I lose, what do I stand to pay extra in legal costs?
Should I be concerned about any other consequences of fighting
this?
I have attached the screenshots on GoogleStreetView of the
locations of the 30 markers.
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#Post#: 82713--------------------------------------------------
Re: 35 on a 30 intersection on a 40 road.
DIR By: JustLoveCars
Date: July 25, 2025, 12:28 pm
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--- Quote from: shreeni link ---
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> I checked on google maps and it seems that there are exactly 2
30 markers, one about 100m before the intersection and one just
at the intersection, both small signs, only on the left lane. It
is a 3-lane carriageway and I was driving on the rightmost lane.
It is not an excuse but genuinely I missed the updated speed
limit.
>
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What you've posted are allowed repeater signs (with speed camera
warnings) on a restricted road.
--- Quote from: shreeni link ---
>
> here is absolutely nothing close to where I was driving to
indicate it is a 30.
>
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Other than a system of street lighting?
You either passed a 30mph terminal sign when entering the limit
- or if you started within it then the system of street lighting
without any signs to the contrary make it 30mph.
--- Quote from: shreeni link ---
>
> Is there any chance at all I will win?
>
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As a restricted road (30mph) it seems you are guilty?
--- Quote from: shreeni link ---
>
> If I lose, what do I stand to pay extra in legal costs?
>
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When you lose you'll have to pay the prosecution costs (listed
at starting from £650 for a contested trial).
...and obviously the points, fines and surcharges for being
convicted at court.
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Re: 35 on a 30 intersection on a 40 road.
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: July 25, 2025, 12:44 pm
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You will have to convince the court that the limit was not
"adequately conveyed".
If you fail you will be fined half a week's net income, a
surcharge of 40% of that fine, prosecution costs of £620
(provided the police do not have to enlist expert testimony to
counter your claim, in which case it will be considerably more)
and have three points imposed.
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Re: 35 on a 30 intersection on a 40 road.
DIR By: JustLoveCars
Date: July 25, 2025, 1:03 pm
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It used to be a 40mph road. Back in 2022 there were 40mph
signs: Here
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