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#Post#: 7956--------------------------------------------------
Re: Least worst PPC?
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: October 21, 2023, 8:19 am
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To be fair you don't actually need a PPC at all. If someone is
trespassing on your land, a couple of photos, form V888 and a
£2.50 fee and DVLA will give you the keeper's details.
#Post#: 7963--------------------------------------------------
Re: Least worst PPC?
DIR By: guest46
Date: October 21, 2023, 8:50 am
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> [quote author=M60NJP link=topic=740.msg7923#msg7923
date=1697871550]
> I wondered the same, but with numerous visitors, carers,
cleaners, deliveries etc etc it would be impossible to manage
the key/access arrangements.
>
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How many visitors' space are there, and how many spaces are for
residents only?
[/quote]
None are currently marked. There's 64 apartments, mostly single
occupancy - but as it's 55 years of age minimum car ownership is
lower than 'average'. Spaces at a guess are about 40. Until the
GP/Dentist introduced controls there wasn't really an issue so
c40 was 'about right'. The overspill from the 'neighbours' has
resulted in 15 on average from elsewhere with some blocking the
access road which - again due to age - is used by patient
transport and ambulances more often than one would ordinarily
expect.
#Post#: 7966--------------------------------------------------
Re: Least worst PPC?
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: October 21, 2023, 8:54 am
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--- Quote from: M60NJP link ---
>
> None are currently marked. There's 64 apartments, mostly
single occupancy - but as it's 55 years of age minimum car
ownership is lower than 'average'. Spaces at a guess are about
40. Until the GP/Dentist introduced controls there wasn't really
an issue so c40 was 'about right'. The overspill from the
'neighbours' has resulted in 15 on average from elsewhere with
some blocking the access road which - again due to age - is used
by patient transport and ambulances more often than one would
ordinarily expect.
>
--- End Quote ---
I would suggest a PPC could cause quite a few issues with
residents making mistakes and then being potentially taken to
court. A few posts and padlocks would avoid any issues of this
sort.
The issue of visitors is not really an issue, even on a loading
restriction you're allowed to stop while you go and get a key or
open a barrier to access private property.
#Post#: 7967--------------------------------------------------
Re: Least worst PPC?
DIR By: guest46
Date: October 21, 2023, 8:58 am
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> [quote author=M60NJP link=topic=740.msg7963#msg7963
date=1697896204]
> None are currently marked. There's 64 apartments, mostly
single occupancy - but as it's 55 years of age minimum car
ownership is lower than 'average'. Spaces at a guess are about
40. Until the GP/Dentist introduced controls there wasn't really
an issue so c40 was 'about right'. The overspill from the
'neighbours' has resulted in 15 on average from elsewhere with
some blocking the access road which - again due to age - is used
by patient transport and ambulances more often than one would
ordinarily expect.
>
--- End Quote ---
I would suggest a PPC could cause quite a few issues with
residents making mistakes and then being potentially taken to
court. A few posts and padlocks would avoid any issues of this
sort.
The issue of visitors is not really an issue, even on a loading
restriction you're allowed to stop while you go and get a key or
open a barrier to access private property.
[/quote]
The visitors are many -particularly families, carers etc who
stay for long periods. The peril of the older-person
accomodation.
#Post#: 7969--------------------------------------------------
Re: Least worst PPC?
DIR By: DancingDad
Date: October 21, 2023, 9:10 am
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
> .......
> I would suggest a PPC could cause quite a few issues with
residents making mistakes and then being potentially taken to
court. A few posts and padlocks would avoid any issues of this
sort.
>
> The issue of visitors is not really an issue, even on a
loading restriction you're allowed to stop while you go and get
a key or open a barrier to access private property.
>
--- End Quote ---
I'm favouring this option.
Keys to residents and carers/family would be an option
Or an auto barrier with key code and intercom.... more expensive
but still more resident friendly then a PPC.
Or as Andy says, a self ticketing system and a few signs??
#Post#: 7983--------------------------------------------------
Re: Least worst PPC?
DIR By: guest46
Date: October 21, 2023, 10:51 am
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--- Quote from: DancingDad link ---
>
> [quote author=cp8759 link=topic=740.msg7966#msg7966
date=1697896461].......
> I would suggest a PPC could cause quite a few issues with
residents making mistakes and then being potentially taken to
court. A few posts and padlocks would avoid any issues of this
sort.
>
> The issue of visitors is not really an issue, even on a
loading restriction you're allowed to stop while you go and get
a key or open a barrier to access private property.
>
--- End Quote ---
I'm favouring this option.
Keys to residents and carers/family would be an option
Or an auto barrier with key code and intercom.... more expensive
but still more resident friendly then a PPC.
Or as Andy says, a self ticketing system and a few signs??
[/quote]
I too wondered about a barrier and access pass/fob, but even
this has adminstrative issues the premises manager won't want vs
an ANPR set-up that the PPC is wholly responsible for. I agree
they'll all parasites of course!
#Post#: 8007--------------------------------------------------
Re: Least worst PPC?
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: October 21, 2023, 1:30 pm
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--- Quote from: M60NJP link ---
>
> I too wondered about a barrier and access pass/fob, but even
this has adminstrative issues the premises manager won't want vs
an ANPR set-up that the PPC is wholly responsible for. I agree
they'll all parasites of course!
>
--- End Quote ---
Sounds like a very lazy manager to me. Have you considered right
to manage?
#Post#: 8017--------------------------------------------------
Re: Least worst PPC?
DIR By: DancingDad
Date: October 21, 2023, 2:54 pm
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Point out to the Premises Manager that every complaint arising
from PPC actions will be directed to them to deal with.
And that there will be many.
Your mention of them favouring ANPR makes it worse though is a
favoured model of PPCs
It will catch unregistered vehicles and as such deter regulars
from the dentist etc but will also provide a steady stream of
pukka parkers such as family, carers, residents who for whatever
reason have not a registered car.
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