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Havering Rainham Road A1306
DIR By: BADPCN
Date: July 25, 2025, 7:18 am
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Hi team, Looking for advice on PCN from Havering this week (34J
Driving in bus Lane within the restricted period).
Penalty Notice HG62102538
Location: New Road A1306 | Philip Road RM13
Date: 21/06/2-25 Time 19:17
Date of notice 18/07/2025Web code: 163YP975
On Video car crosses bus lane at very end of lane markings. New
Road/Phillips Road has long bus lane. End of the lane is
mismatch of markings and traffic lights. Road markings, as pass
last set of lights (where PCN issued) have hazard (zig zag)
lines that replace the bus lane. After these lights, the zig zag
lines turn back into a short section of solid white line. There
are no signs to say bus lane or hours of operation apart from a
small section of solid white line that ends around 50 meters
after traffic lights. There is no notice that a bus lane starts
again, but there is an end of bus lane sign, and arrows in the
road that draw your attention, demarking ability to turn left
(at end of bus lane) or stay ahead.
My car only entered the bus lane fully for very last part of
film (maybe less than 20m). I'm wondering if this is a minor
demine or invalid due to poor signage. Havering do not allow any
discounts if appeal (formally) when PCN delivered to address by
post.
I was wondering if worth appealing?
Many thanks
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Re: Havering Rainham Road A1306
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: July 25, 2025, 7:46 am
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Please post all sides of the PCN (olt redact yr name & address -
leave all else in),
the video
and
a GSV link to the location.
For guidance on posting images and docs see
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
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Re: Havering Rainham Road A1306
DIR By: BADPCN
Date: July 27, 2025, 8:00 am
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Hi team,
Enclosed attachments re: PCN, Videos and Photo's
Location Map:
HTML https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5231526,0.1801538,3a,75y,335.45h,81.82t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sibKw0Ox1LT9NYylc6eztaw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D8.17616178288094%26panoid%3DibKw0Ox1LT9NYylc6eztaw%26yaw%3D335.44883639376224!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDcyMy4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
HTML https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5231526,0.1801538,3a,75y,335.45h,81.82t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sibKw0Ox1LT9NYylc6eztaw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D8.17616178288094%26panoid%3DibKw0Ox1LT9NYylc6eztaw%26yaw%3D335.44883639376224!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDcyMy4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
just trying to establish if lack of signage after the traffic
lights and road markings make a case for appeal along with the
fact its such a minor diminutive incident (guess the councils
love these!!)
Thanks
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Re: Havering Rainham Road A1306
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: July 27, 2025, 8:01 am
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Ok. Back later with a draft. Won 2 cases a few months ago re
this location.
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Re: Havering Rainham Road A1306
DIR By: BADPCN
Date: July 27, 2025, 8:04 am
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Thank you !
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Re: Havering Rainham Road A1306
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: July 27, 2025, 3:04 pm
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BEFORE you do a pdf, please screenshot their grounds page as
this is important. It may well include wrong grounds.
Dear Havering
I make this informal challenge against the PCN.
1. The video shows no evidence of a BUS LANE legend and any
signs allegedly passed.
2. The alleged incursion, if any, is de minimis non curat lex.
Considering the above please cancel the said PCN.
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Re: Havering Rainham Road A1306
DIR By: BADPCN
Date: July 27, 2025, 4:24 pm
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Thank you. Understood. I'll keep the thread posted for any
updates. Many thanks for taking the time its greatly
appreciated!
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Re: Havering Rainham Road A1306
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: July 27, 2025, 4:26 pm
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When they reject, get back to us and just keep going. I have not
lost a bus lane case yet in the last 3/4 years.
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Re: Havering Rainham Road A1306
DIR By: AlexandraJ
Date: September 24, 2025, 3:30 am
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Hello Hippocrates, you helped me to appeal to the council
regarding the very same issue. I have received a reply from
Havering Council.
To recap, the car swung into the bus lane as I entered the A1306
from the A13. Wen I realised it was a bus lane I moved over. How
do I attach their reply?
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Re: Havering Rainham Road A1306
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: September 24, 2025, 5:05 am
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>
> .. . I have received a reply from Havering Council.
> . . .
> How do I attach their reply?
>
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You don't attach see this the instructions for posting images
here:
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
especially the bit about using BBCodes:
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>
>
> 3. Post the PCN and all subsequent notices or correspondence.
> The easiest way is to take pictures with your phone. There is
no upload space on this site so you will have to upload to a
picture hosting site (such as
HTML https://imgur.com
or similar) and
post links
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> You can use the "add image" icon to embed images in your post:
>
> [img width=1100
height=88.9921875]
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>
> However if you are using imgur (our preferred option), once
you've uploaded an image to the site you can use the share link
option to copy the BB codes:
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> [img width=621.9921875
height=450]
HTML https://i.imgur.com/zSNsBUj.png[/img]
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> [img width=400
height=423.9921875]
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> You can then paste that into your post and the image will be
embedded into the post, just as all the images in this post have
been. If copying the BB link from imgur you must not use the
"add image" button, you just paste the link directly into your
post.
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See also DWMB2's post here
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