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Penalty charge notice for U turn
DIR By: ss201
Date: July 24, 2025, 12:16 pm
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I got a PCN for a U turn after I took a left on Cranbrook Road
in Ilford, there's no right turn allowed. I've attached the
photo. Looks like they changed the rule this year
HTML https://publicnoticeportal.uk/notice/traffic-and-roads/67d2d1b2b51fca5734d4cbc3<br
/>but there was no signage. I would really appreciate if
somebody
can advise on this. Thanks.
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Re: Penalty charge notice for U turn
DIR By: RichardW
Date: July 24, 2025, 1:04 pm
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'no signage'...well, not apart from the no U turn sign on the
post right in front of your car. Presumably that is to avoid
people circumventing the no right turn out of the side street.
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Re: Penalty charge notice for U turn
DIR By: ss201
Date: July 24, 2025, 1:34 pm
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Sorry I didn't notice that. Usually signage is on the left side
so that people know before attempting a U turn
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Re: Penalty charge notice for U turn
DIR By: RichardW
Date: July 25, 2025, 1:21 am
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There might be other failures in the PCN, please post the full
thing - both sides.
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Re: Penalty charge notice for U turn
DIR By: John_S
Date: July 25, 2025, 6:03 am
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Two important points:
Firstly from the still image, the blue car appears to be turning
before the ‘no u-turn’ sign. IMO, a contravention is only
committed after you have passed the sign.
Secondly, this seems to be another case of the ‘no u-turn’ sign
being placed within a ‘puffin controlled area’ (zig-zag lines).
The TSRGD prohibits the use of all road signs (with a few
exceptions, eg no-right-turn) from being placed within zig-zag
lines. The reason for this is that drivers need to be fully
concentrating on pedestrians using the crossing. It’s no wonder
you missed the sign - you were paying careful attention to the
pedestrian crossing ahead of you.
Note: if this is a pelican crossing (with flashing amber phase),
then the relevant regulations are TSRGD 2002, reg. 27(1).
Otherwise it’s TSRGD 2016, reg. 2 and Sch 1.
Hope this helps.
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Re: Penalty charge notice for U turn
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: July 25, 2025, 6:11 am
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the effect of which will be to introduce on Cranbrook Road a ban
on U-turn movements in both directions between a point 26 metres
south of the southern kerb-line of York Road and a point 40
metres north of the northern kerb-line of Wellesley Road.
Therefore Wellesley joins Cranbrook within the prohibited area
i.e. it doesn't start at the sign in view because this is a
repeater, not the mandatory sign.
But if a motorist joins a prohibited road without knowing or
passing the initial sign in Cranbrook, which in this case is 40m
to their right, then their first sign would be the repeater.
So we need to see the video to see whether you drove past this
sign. On its own IMO it would signify the start of the
prohibited area.
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Re: Penalty charge notice for U turn
DIR By: ss201
Date: July 25, 2025, 4:01 pm
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Thanks everyone, that's very helpful information. I'm attaching
the full letter. The video can be viewed by the PCN, sorry I
don't know how to download the video. The second page just has
the usual 'making a representation' notes, so I'm not uploading
that.
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Re: Penalty charge notice for U turn
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: July 25, 2025, 4:19 pm
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The second page just has the usual 'making a representation'
notes, so I'm not uploading that.
We're nothing if not thorough, so pl post it so that it can be
checked for procedural conformity.
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Re: Penalty charge notice for U turn
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: July 25, 2025, 4:32 pm
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Re: Penalty charge notice for U turn
DIR By: ss201
Date: July 25, 2025, 4:35 pm
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Here's the second page.
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