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#Post#: 7726--------------------------------------------------
3 Convictions on the same day
DIR By: Home Counties
Date: October 18, 2023, 3:21 pm
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On Saturday morning i received a letter through stating i had
been flashed on the A316 and was doing 59 in a 50. I regularly
use this route and know the camera between Job's diary and
Sunbury Cross. I was a bit suprised as have never been caught
before .
The letter was offering me the potential chance of a driver’s
awareness course which they decide on. I sent off the paperwork
on Monday with my details completed and thought nothing more off
it.
On Tuesday i came home to two more letters from the police. I
opened them to see a further two potential charges ! These were
driving on the same road (A316) on the same day for going 46 in
a 40. One camera was near Butts Farm and the other the other
side on my journey home.All three of these charges relate to
driving on the same strech of road on October 8th.The first
conviction was approx 9.23am for going 59 in a 50 (average speed
) then 4 minutes later 46 in a 40 (average speed check ) and
then at 2.40pm on the way home 46 in a 40 (average speed check )
Naturally i am concerned because this could amount to a huge 9
points on my licence and then only three away from a ban.
I will hold my hands up to doing similar speeds before but three
seperate convictions on the same day?
How will the court deal with this?
I did a drivers awareness course in 2021 for going through a
closed lane on a Smart motorway so hopefully they will offer me
this again as not speeding related.
I have an SP30 from 2019.
I did a drivers awareness course in 2013 for speeding.
Will i have any grounds to contest this or appeal at all ?
9 points would be a killer for me and 3 more would see me
potentially lose my job.
If anyone has anything similar and can offer any advice legally
or from experience i would be grateful.
#Post#: 7740--------------------------------------------------
Re: 3 Convictions on the same day
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: October 18, 2023, 5:50 pm
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Which court convicted you?
#Post#: 7754--------------------------------------------------
Re: 3 Convictions on the same day
DIR By: 666
Date: October 19, 2023, 1:29 am
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If you accept the offer of a course, you will end up with two
fixed penalties - six points in all. No need for any court
action.
#Post#: 7815--------------------------------------------------
Re: 3 Convictions on the same day
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: October 19, 2023, 2:17 pm
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Conviction is what happens in the court, from your description
you’ve had no convictions at all yet.
You should be offered an awareness course (if the offence the
previous one was offered for was more than 3 years before these)
as well as two fixed penalties.
You may have a case that the two 4 minutes apart amount to a
single continuous offence and only get punished for one, some
forces are better than others at this but it may need pointing
out to them.
My concern is if you picked up 3 in a day, how many more may
arrive now?
#Post#: 8018--------------------------------------------------
Re: 3 Convictions on the same day
DIR By: Home Counties
Date: October 21, 2023, 2:59 pm
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I have not been to court yet only had the letter through having
to give my address.
Having spoken to a number of people my only hope is a drivers
awareness course for 1 and accept the 2 x 3 points for the
others.
My concern is that i did a drivers awarensss course two years
ago for going through a closed lane on a Smart motorway.
Woudl this have any bearing if they would offer one again ?
#Post#: 8055--------------------------------------------------
Re: 3 Convictions on the same day
DIR By: ManxTom
Date: October 22, 2023, 8:14 am
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--- Quote from: Home Counties link ---
>
> I have not been to court yet only had the letter through
having to give my address.
>
> Having spoken to a number of people my only hope is a drivers
awareness course for 1 and accept the 2 x 3 points for the
others.
>
> My concern is that i did a drivers awarensss course two years
ago for going through a closed lane on a Smart motorway.
>
> Woudl this have any bearing if they would offer one again ?
>
--- End Quote ---
I believe that motorway awareness courses and speed awareness
courses are entirely different courses. Having done a motorway
course two years ago should not itself affect your eligibility
to be offered a speed awarness course
#Post#: 8160--------------------------------------------------
Re: 3 Convictions on the same day
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: October 23, 2023, 6:40 am
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--- Quote from: Home Counties link ---
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> i did a drivers awarensss course two years ago for going
through a closed lane on a Smart motorway.
>
>
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That isn't a 'SPEED' awareness course, so no impact.
#Post#: 9558--------------------------------------------------
Re: 3 Convictions on the same day
DIR By: baroudeur
Date: November 8, 2023, 6:36 am
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Did I read somewhere that all types of courses are now included
in the 'previous three-year' limit?
#Post#: 9631--------------------------------------------------
Re: 3 Convictions on the same day
DIR By: guest111
Date: November 8, 2023, 4:46 pm
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You may well have read it somewhere, but it's not the case.
#Post#: 9643--------------------------------------------------
Re: 3 Convictions on the same day
DIR By: Ziggyplayedguitar2
Date: November 9, 2023, 1:34 am
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It is possible to last with nine points.I did it for 2 years.
I took a driving job to tie me over until Retirement.Bad
move.They are hassling you all the time to reach undoable
targets.Encouraging you to speed.
The job was the problem....it had to go and I learnt my
lesson.Likewise if you start totting look at what you are doing
wrong and remove the problem.That is unless you like buses.That
is why the penalties are structured as they are.
Otherwise every time you pass a Gatso you will be wondering did
that flash me just then??I have driven back to a Gatso when I
have been concerned and seeing if others have been flashed.
Concentrate....drive only where there a few traps (static or
mobile) forget any driving holidays.It appears you have a short
attention span(like me).Manage it better!!!
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