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#Post#: 82006--------------------------------------------------
Rivercourt Road PCN x2
DIR By: stereodista
Date: July 21, 2025, 2:52 pm
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Apologies for dragging Rivercourt Road back up to the top of the
pile, but I’ve received two PCNs (52M - Failing to comply with a
prohibition on certain types of vehicle (m) motor vehicles)
within a week. The first was received and challenged before the
second arrived last week.
Basically, the first I saw of any newly implemented restriction
was among the flurry of confusing signage upon entering the
second time, but I drove along the A4 yesterday and only saw two
very temporary, minuscule and pretty unclear signs on the
roadside, and two programmable electronic boards. Also pretty
temporary in appearance, difficult to read, and more like the
kind of thing you’d expect for events or roadworks.
This is clearly quite a hot topic in The Flame Pit, but I was
wondering whether anyone had any recent experience of having
these sorts of PCNs cancelled?
Thanks in advance for any help with this!
#Post#: 82018--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rivercourt Road PCN x2
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 21, 2025, 4:09 pm
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It seems that H & F are now playing a rather harder ball than
hithertoo, as we have seen them rejecting representations, thne
folding when the OP registers an appeal at LT. This restriction
is so preposterous as to beggar belief in the sanity of those
that agreed it.
What needs investigation is what consultations took place
between H & F and TfL who control the A40 in London. I suspect
none at all. Consultation with other parties is mandated in
LATOR 1996
#Post#: 82036--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rivercourt Road PCN x2
DIR By: stereodista
Date: July 21, 2025, 5:39 pm
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Thanks for the reply. So is the general consensus still to
contest? As you say, the whole thing seems entirely ludicrous.
#Post#: 82048--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rivercourt Road PCN x2
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: July 22, 2025, 1:54 am
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--- Quote from: stereodista link ---
>
> Thanks for the reply. So is the general consensus still to
contest? As you say, the whole thing seems entirely ludicrous.
>
--- End Quote ---
Consensus is to carry on challenging.
However, plase first post up here
all sides of the 1st PCN,
the front page of the 2nd. PCN,
a copy of your submitted challenge.
Only redact yr name & address from docs, leave all else in. For
guiidance on posting images see
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
Then post here yr draft challenge to the 2nd. PCN for comment.
N.B. As you can see from Bustagate's threads in the Flame Pit,
there have been several recent changes to to the signage at both
location and approach, so make sure in yr draft any references
to or images of signage are correct for the day of the alleged
contravention.
In addition to the Flame Pit threads, you may find helpful to
writing yr reps these threads:
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/hf-52m-failing-to-comply-with-a-prohibition-rivercourt-rd/msg79316/#new
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/pcn-hammersmith-and-fulham-contravention-52m-rmv-rivercourt-rd/msg78965/#msg78965
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/hf-52m-failing-to-comply-with-a-prohibition-rivercourt-rd/msg78405/#msg78405
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/hammersmith-and-fulham-code-52m-failing-to-comply-with-a-prohibition-on-certain-/msg72458/#msg72458
Some of these have yet to be concluded.
#Post#: 82074--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rivercourt Road PCN x2
DIR By: stereodista
Date: July 22, 2025, 4:53 am
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Thank you, John.
PCN #1.1
HTML https://i.imgur.com/Aa2WEJN.jpeg
PCN #1.2
HTML https://i.imgur.com/P9qmqu9.jpeg
PCN #1.3
HTML https://i.imgur.com/sxoisVo.jpeg
PCN #2
HTML https://i.imgur.com/XucAkHb.jpeg
First challenge:
Good evening,
I’ve just returned from my holidays, and am mortified to have
found a PCN (HZ93433791) relating to a ‘52M’ on 01/07/2025.
My parents used to live in the area, and Rivercourt Road is one
I’ve driven down endlessly over the years, albeit less so
recently. Obviously every previous time, I’ve never received
anything like this. I was completely unaware of what must be a
new(ish?) restriction, or else there is no way I would’ve taken
this particular route. Indeed, I only noticed the change once
I’d made the turning and was overwhelmed with signage, but
without any option to reverse back out into the 40mph A4 for
reasons self-explanatory. I think the road is one-way (or used
to be?) anyway…
Of course, this was the last time I’ll be deviating from the A4
in order to get to Shepherd’s Bush, but also the first I’ve ever
heard of this restriction. A lesson definitively learned. But
I’m unsure as to what else I could’ve done, aside from doing
something extremely dangerous, and potentially lethal? With no
prior warning either.
Any response to what is very evidently a totally honest mistake
would be gratefully received.
Thank you in advance,
[NAME REDACTED].
Second draft challenge:
Having since received a second PCN (HZ93517337), I realise the
first time I noticed the new signage was on 06/07 rather than
01/07, hence my driving down Rivercourt Road twice in the same
week – something that I of course would not have done otherwise.
I drove down the A4 on 20/07 and for the first time, I noticed
both variable message signs (pretty difficult to read in
daylight) and two very temporary, inadequately sized, and
decidedly unclear portable signs on the roadside. I was, as goes
without saying, consciously looking out for any indication of
this new restriction, and don’t recall seeing any of this on
either prior occasion but obviously the A4 requires complete
attention at all times given how busy it is, taking into account
the many vehicles merging from Weltje Road and the BP petrol
station, and so on.
In addition, the branches of a nearby tree are currently
obfuscating the signs on Rivercourt Road itself, making it
practically impossible to see them without having already made
the turning. As I’ve previously suggested, to then reverse is
entirely out of the question. Again, and to reiterate, I’m
really unsure as to what else I could’ve done here.
Any further guidance would obviously be hugely appreciated!
#Post#: 82441--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rivercourt Road PCN x2
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: July 23, 2025, 7:50 pm
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Any further guidance would obviously be hugely appreciated!
[/quote]
As you've sent ther first challenge, we have to wait and see how
they respond.
You make some good points in the 2nd, but I feel your reps would
benefit from some formatting.
Did you manage to look at this thread
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/pcn-hammersmith-and-fulham-contravention-52m-rmv-rivercourt-rd/msg79323/#msg79323
and in particular to the pdf attached to Reply#16 ?
#Post#: 82444--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rivercourt Road PCN x2
DIR By: stereodista
Date: July 24, 2025, 1:19 am
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Thanks again, John.
My only thinking was that I would need to get back in contact
with them regarding the second PCN before the 14 days from 14/07
had elapsed. Is that correct, or does it not matter here?
And regarding the second challenge, I’m assuming it’s best to
reformat much like the PDF attached to that previous thread?
Thank you.
#Post#: 82453--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rivercourt Road PCN x2
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: July 24, 2025, 3:21 am
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Just to make sure I have got things clear:
You have submitted (on what date? and how -online, post, email?)
reps against the PCN HZ9343379.
You have yet to show us the 2nd PCN HZ93517337 (Please do so) -
when is it dated?
--- Quote ---
>
>
>
> My only thinking was that I would need to get back in contact
with them regarding the second PCN before the 14 days from 14/07
had elapsed. Is that correct, or does it not matter here?
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If they refuse reps, most Councils re-offer the discount if
received by them within the discount period (14 days from date
of service of PCN).
Reps must be received by the Council within 28 days from date of
service of PCN.
It is best to submit online or by e-mail and keep
acknowledgement than using post.
--- Quote ---
> And regarding the second challenge, I’m assuming it’s best to
reformat much like the PDF attached to that previous thread?
--- End Quote ---
So yes, reformat and submit as pdf. You may wish to incorporate
points from that submission.
As always, post draft here for comment first, but do not miss
deadline.
For the convenience of othersI have taken the liberty below of
reposting yr first draft for the 2nd PCN.
--- Quote ---
>
> Having since received a second PCN (HZ93517337), I realise the
first time I noticed the new signage was on 06/07 rather than
01/07, hence my driving down Rivercourt Road twice in the same
week – something that I of course would not have done otherwise.
>
> I drove down the A4 on 20/07 and for the first time, I noticed
both variable message signs (pretty difficult to read in
daylight) and two very temporary, inadequately sized, and
decidedly unclear portable signs on the roadside. I was, as goes
without saying, consciously looking out for any indication of
this new restriction, and don’t recall seeing any of this on
either prior occasion but obviously the A4 requires complete
attention at all times given how busy it is, taking into account
the many vehicles merging from Weltje Road and the BP petrol
station, and so on.
>
> In addition, the branches of a nearby tree are currently
obfuscating obscuring the signs on Rivercourt Road itself,
making it practically impossible to see them without having
already made the turning. As I’ve previously suggested, to then
reverse is entirely out of the question. Again, and to
reiterate, I’m really unsure as to what else I could’ve done
here
>
>
>
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 82458--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rivercourt Road PCN x2
DIR By: stereodista
Date: July 24, 2025, 3:32 am
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Thanks again.
I emailed enquiries@lbhfparking.com on 13/07 regarding the first
PCN. There is a link to the first page of the second — dated
14/07 — in an earlier post.
I will redraft the reps for the second and post here prior to
sending.
Thank you.
#Post#: 82639--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rivercourt Road PCN x2
DIR By: stereodista
Date: July 25, 2025, 6:15 am
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--- Quote from: John U.K. link ---
>
> [quote]And regarding the second challenge, I’m assuming it’s
best to reformat much like the PDF attached to that previous
thread?
--- End Quote ---
So yes, reformat and submit as pdf. You may wish to incorporate
points from that submission.
As always, post draft here for comment first, but do not miss
deadline.
[/quote]
Thanks, I have redrafted and attached for comment.
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