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#Post#: 81985--------------------------------------------------
Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
DIR By: ahsan
Date: July 21, 2025, 1:07 pm
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Hi Wizards,
I hope all of you are well.
My brother does Amazon parcel delivery, he had multiple parcel
drops at the location, he couldn't have parked the Van on main
road as it's double yellow lines all the way.
We have received the ticket that he spent 23 mins and now have
to pay £100 (within 14 days £60).
Paying £60 takes pretty much half of his days wages, it seems
cruel for them to issue tickets to Van holder when they know
they either came to do some work at the address or to drop
parcels and stuff.
Ticket can be seen in the GDrive:
Front page:
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vR0zfAN3k6w24_eoChilJaPDp0LAj0RY/view?usp=drive_link
Back page:
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/18M4OH33F-1SFYlfoMsUq4GGj2kewwlFA/view?usp=drive_link
GSV:
HTML https://tinyurl.com/343aypz5
Ticket issued by and can be viewed at:
HTML https://portal.parkingeye.co.uk
Parking Charge Reference: 128753/610483
Vehicle Registration Number: KN71EYD
Can you please suggest if something can be done about this
ticket?
#Post#: 82065--------------------------------------------------
Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
DIR By: Dave65
Date: July 22, 2025, 4:18 am
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If the delivery was to residents of the housing then:
Jopson & Homeguard may come in to the issue.
Regulars will explain.
#Post#: 82137--------------------------------------------------
Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
DIR By: b789
Date: July 22, 2025, 9:35 am
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Tell your brother to read the Highway Code. Stopping to load or
unload on double yellow lines (DYL) is not prohibited. Only if
the kerb has the yellow "blips", is it prohibited.
It's impossible to read the first two section of the back of the
Notice to Keeper (NtK) you have shown us. Those are the only two
parts that matter!
--- Quote from: ahsan link ---
>
> ...it seems cruel for them to issue tickets to Van holder when
they know they either came to do some work at the address or to
drop parcels and stuff.
>
--- End Quote ---
How does the ANPR know that the van is being used to deliver
Amazon packages?
As the driver was loading and unloading, this can be defended if
it ever went as far as court. In most cases, it will never get
that far, but you have to go through the motions.
For now, simply follow this advice... There is no legal
obligation on the known keeper (the recipient of the Notice to
Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the unknown driver and
no inference or assumptions can be made.
The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which
means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot
transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the
known keeper.
Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove
anything from it:
--- Quote ---
> Subject: Appeal against Parking Charge Notice – [Insert PCN
Reference]
>
> I am the registered keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your
'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement
and will be making a formal complaint to your client landowner
regarding your predatory conduct.
>
> Your Notice to Keeper (NtK) fails to comply with the mandatory
requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act
2012 (PoFA), specifically paragraph 9(2)(e)(i). This provision
requires the NtK to invite the keeper to pay the unpaid parking
charges. Your notice merely states that the driver is liable and
instructs the keeper to pass the notice to the driver and
provide their details. That is not sufficient. The statutory
wording is clear: unless the NtK invites the keeper to pay, you
cannot transfer liability. Partial or substantial compliance is
legally inadequate.
>
> There will be no admission as to who was driving, and no
assumptions or inferences may be drawn. ParkingEye has relied on
contract law allegations of breach against the driver only. The
registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been
the driver, nor pursued under any misinterpretation of agency
law.
>
> Further, the driver was engaged in legitimate
loading/unloading activity while delivering packages to multiple
units within the complex. This took approximately 23 minutes and
falls squarely within the scope of Jopson v Homeguard [2016]
B9GF0A9E, where His Honour Judge Harris QC stated:
>
> [indent]“A milkman leaving his float to carry bottles to the
flat would not be ‘parked’. Nor would a postman delivering
letters… Any other approach would leave life in the block of
flats close to unworkable.”[/indent]
>
> This was a delivery operation, not a breach of any parking
terms. Your attempt to penalise such activity is unreasonable
and unsupported by law. You have no hope at POPLA, so you are
urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the
PCN.
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#Post#: 82145--------------------------------------------------
Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
DIR By: ahsan
Date: July 22, 2025, 9:51 am
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[member=26]b789[/member] I do apologize, I have now taken a
fresh screenshot of the back of the page, here is the pic which
is clear and readable:
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1W68IjjDEAeq0WkvRLCfTzs1lO9402bJw/view?usp=drive_link
#Post#: 82148--------------------------------------------------
Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
DIR By: b789
Date: July 22, 2025, 10:01 am
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Follow the advice already given.
#Post#: 82377--------------------------------------------------
Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
DIR By: ahsan
Date: July 23, 2025, 11:53 am
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[member=26]b789[/member] I have appealed today, Ill update as
soon as I receive a reply from them.
Thanks for your help, much appreciated.
#Post#: 84816--------------------------------------------------
Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
DIR By: ahsan
Date: August 8, 2025, 12:20 pm
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[member=26]b789[/member], I've received an update to our appeal
today, here is the letter they sent us try to scare with their
language:
PDF:
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JuMURUHC-k67mnUXbNRv0w74ba0DwdQ_/view?usp=drive_link
PIC:
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1o8wI8ZvOaS5ALAp3g5nucBEXuXByV0Mu/view?usp=drive_link
Could you please advise next step?
Thanks.
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Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
DIR By: jfollows
Date: August 8, 2025, 12:37 pm
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You already said
--- Quote ---
> There will be no admission as to who was driving,
--- End Quote ---
so this is just an attempt to get you to do otherwise.
Do nothing, and they will reject your appeal but give you a
POPLA code.
#Post#: 90055--------------------------------------------------
Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
DIR By: ahsan
Date: September 15, 2025, 11:25 am
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[member=26]b789[/member] I have received an email from
ParkingEye today, they have issued the POPLA code:
Document link:
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/13n0x9m7HRwVB8r1NVfrIhpmk0FbO3HnZ/view?usp=sharing
Can you please advise what should be the next step?
Thanks in advance.
#Post#: 90145--------------------------------------------------
Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
DIR By: b789
Date: September 16, 2025, 4:57 am
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You have 33 days for the date of the appeal rejection to submit
a POPLA appeal. Just do a search of the forum for any recent
POPLA appeals to get an idea of what you should put in and how
to structure a POPLA appeal.
When you think you have something, post it here and we will
advise on whether it needs refining.
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