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#Post#: 81714--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCS pcn , are these scammers?
DIR By: sofnet2000
Date: July 19, 2025, 12:03 pm
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--- Quote from: DWMB2 link ---
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> From the lease you've shown us, "Premises" is capitalised,
suggesting it's a defined term. Is the meaning of "Premises"
listed anywhere in the lease, as this might strengthen your
argument further by showing that the parking space forms part of
your lease?
>
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yes it is listed and it meant to be the flat we live in like the
followings:
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The Main Terms of the Tenancy
1- Term of Tenancy.
The Landlord lets to the Tenant the Premises for a period of
Twelve Months with a Six Months Break Clause as per Schedule A
in the agreement.
4- Fixtures and Fittings
The Tenancy shall include the Fixtures and Fittings in the
Premises including all matters specified in the Inventory and
Schedule of Condition.
10.3- To keep the Premises and Fixtures and Fittings in a
reasonably clean and tidy condition.
10.4- To clean to a good standard or pay for the professional
cleaning of the Premises at the end of the
Tenancy, to the same standard to which the Premises and Fixtures
and Fittings were cleaned prior to the start of the Tenancy, as
stated in the Inventory and Schedule of Condition.
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Concerning secure A space was brought in after people starting
abusing the parking and blocking other tenant's garages and the
only restriction was to park in specified bay as per the signage
in my other post and there is no permit required for parking.
I managed to send in an appeal on their online platform and got
little confirmation message attached.
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#Post#: 82164--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCS pcn , are these scammers?
DIR By: sofnet2000
Date: July 22, 2025, 10:59 am
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Guess what guys, they just sent me another one, are these people
mad or what?
I am thinking of reporting them to the police as scammers, they
are trying to scam me and probably other residents of the
building by trying it on.
I have checked them on the BPA website but they are not there, I
found a debt collector under the name of "Debt Recovery Plus Ltd
also t/as Parking Collection Services & Zenith Collections" they
are not allowed to do tickets or to do ANPRs or nothing.
Any advice?
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#Post#: 82167--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCS pcn , are these scammers?
DIR By: jfollows
Date: July 22, 2025, 11:22 am
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Who are “they” and what did they send you?
Anything from Debt Recovery Plus should be ignored. Debt
collectors are irrelevant and you should never contact them.
#Post#: 82169--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCS pcn , are these scammers?
DIR By: sofnet2000
Date: July 22, 2025, 11:28 am
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--- Quote from: jfollows link ---
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> Who are “they” and what did they send you?
> Anything from Debt Recovery Plus should be ignored. Debt
collectors are irrelevant and you should never contact them.
>
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PCS the idiots who sent me a Parking charging notice (as per
first post), it looks like they found our building which has
secure a space sign and thought we go and scam people here, they
claim I wasn't displaying a permit, there is no permit to
display we are not a permit holder parking place.
and by the looks of they will send one every week
#Post#: 82175--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCS pcn , are these scammers?
DIR By: b789
Date: July 22, 2025, 12:38 pm
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You don't have to do anything unless you receive a Letter of
Claim (LoC). I don't think that reporting them to the police
will result in anything. Just make sure that you keep any other
residents in the same situation informed as to how to dal with
this.
#Post#: 82192--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCS pcn , are these scammers?
DIR By: sofnet2000
Date: July 22, 2025, 1:48 pm
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--- Quote from: b789 link ---
>
> You don't have to do anything unless you receive a Letter of
Claim (LoC). I don't think that reporting them to the police
will result in anything. Just make sure that you keep any other
residents in the same situation informed as to how to dal with
this.
>
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I have done the appeal (for both PCNs) as per your first post,
shall I keep appealing everytime I get one, because these idiots
are not going to give up!
Shall I lodge a complaint with BPA or POPLA?
#Post#: 82198--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCS pcn , are these scammers?
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: July 22, 2025, 2:07 pm
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If they're continuing to dish out PCNs, you'd be wise to do a
bit of digging with the landlord/whoever owns the building and
property to find out exactly what's gone on to result in them
now operating on the site, and to see if the landowner can
intervene.
A court claim is likely to eventually arise, and whilst you
might have the makings of a good defence, it would in my view
still be sensible to take steps to limit the value of the
eventual claim, as there's never a 100% guarantee of success.
Far better to defend a claim of £300 than £3,000.
Finally, I would ensure you have and retain copies of any
evidence that shows that the space your car was parked in is
allocated to you in your lease (Any maps for example outlining
the boundaries of the space(s), or anything else that
demonstrates that space is yours to use, etc.)
Re your questions, you can only appeal a charge to POPLA once
that specific charge has been appealed and rejected by the
operator.
Re BPA complaint, yes by all means, but again they will first
expect you to complain to the operator.
#Post#: 82205--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCS pcn , are these scammers?
DIR By: sofnet2000
Date: July 22, 2025, 2:46 pm
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--- Quote from: DWMB2 link ---
>
> If they're continuing to dish out PCNs, you'd be wise to do a
bit of digging with the landlord/whoever owns the building and
property to find out exactly what's gone on to result in them
now operating on the site, and to see if the landowner can
intervene.
>
> A court claim is likely to eventually arise, and whilst you
might have the makings of a good defence, it would in my view
still be sensible to take steps to limit the value of the
eventual claim, as there's never a 100% guarantee of success.
Far better to defend a claim of £300 than £3,000.
>
> Finally, I would ensure you have and retain copies of any
evidence that shows that the space your car was parked in is
allocated to you in your lease (Any maps for example outlining
the boundaries of the space(s), or anything else that
demonstrates that space is yours to use, etc.)
>
> Re your questions, you can only appeal a charge to POPLA once
that specific charge has been appealed and rejected by the
operator.
>
> Re BPA complaint, yes by all means, but again they will first
expect you to complain to the operator.
>
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The space isn't allocated to me specifically, it is available to
all residents on the basis of first come, all together there 4
spaces I am not sure if other residents have received any PCNs.
The PCNs are unfounded because there is no permit required to
park, anyone even visitors or neighbours even strangers can
park, only condition is to park within the bay as per the sign
of secure space who they never come anyway.
I don't really understand how can I be liable to such unlawful
parking charge, I feel that I am trying to claim my innocence
for something that hasn't occurred, the parking charge itself
doesn't show any evidence of anything, no permit requirement nor
a picture of permit missing from my windscreen (I can claim that
I was displaying a permit), so any idiots can go and print out a
letter claiming to be a parking charge for their client and
expect people to go to court if they don't pay? come on guys
this is ridiculous!!
As I said in my previous posts these people claim to be part of
BPA but they are not (their name mentioned under a debt
collector) even if we accept they are, they not allowed to issue
tickets if I click on the complaint policy link it will take me
to a completely different company called Debt Recovery Plus,
whether they are same I do not know, but 100% PCS isn't a
parking operator and cannot issue parking charges in any form.
I have approached the building director who said he doesn't know
them and parking conditions have never changed.
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Re: PCS pcn , are these scammers?
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: July 22, 2025, 3:54 pm
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--- Quote from: sofnet2000 link ---
>
> The space isn't allocated to me specifically, it is available
to all residents on the basis of first come, all together there
4 spaces
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The same broad point applies, ensure you have and retain the bit
of your lease that grants you the right to park a car in any of
those 4 spaces, and any other written evidence of such a right.
Is the Secure A Space sign you showed us a photo of previously
the only one there?
--- Quote from: sofnet2000 link ---
>
> come on guys this is ridiculous!!
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We agree, which is why we're trying to ensure you place yourself
in the best position to challenge it.
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Re: PCS pcn , are these scammers?
DIR By: sofnet2000
Date: July 22, 2025, 4:14 pm
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--- Quote from: DWMB2 link ---
>
> [quote author=sofnet2000 link=topic=7299.msg82205#msg82205
date=1753213575]
> The space isn't allocated to me specifically, it is available
to all residents on the basis of first come, all together there
4 spaces
--- End Quote ---
The same broad point applies, ensure you have and retain the bit
of your lease that grants you the right to park a car in any of
those 4 spaces, and any other written evidence of such a right.
Is the Secure A Space sign you showed us a photo of previously
the only one there?
--- Quote from: sofnet2000 link ---
>
> come on guys this is ridiculous!!
--- End Quote ---
We agree, which is why we're trying to ensure you place yourself
in the best position to challenge it.
[/quote]
Secure A space were brought in few years back when people were
parking all over the place and in blocking access to other
people's garages, so the leaseholders committee decided to
restrict parking to the 4 out 5 bays one of which was left for
the cleaners and contractors etc.
When I spoke to one of the directors he said they only came
about 5 times in last 5 years, and denied knowing anything about
PCS.
I have now emailed secure a space asking them if they had
anything to do with all this.
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