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notice to owner (ealing)
DIR By: Archie
Date: July 17, 2025, 2:30 pm
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Hello all
I have today received 2 of these for consecutive days June
13th/14th.
Isaw this vehicle advertised in autotrader on 28th june
,contacted the advertiser and agreed to come down to london on
Monday 30th.
Traveled down to london on the train and organised insurance on
the way down. The vendor met us at the station, we drove to
Ealing viewed the car etc and made a purchase ,did a bank
transfer to his wife/partners account ,all good so off for the
drive back up to York,no issues,
rang up the ULEZ and paid for the trip and have a receipt so all
good,
sent off the V5 ,section 4 was signed and dated january 25... So
thats where we are at,I have the vendors name ,his wife/partners
name, her bank details (as we did a transfer) I also have all
the txts between myself and the vendor with dates and times and
and the reg number but I do not have his address .
So what is the best way forward
Thanks
I will now go find out how to add a picky :-[
#Post#: 81512--------------------------------------------------
Re: notice to owner (ealing)
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 17, 2025, 3:50 pm
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Sorry, want to help, but no good at all without seeing the NtOs
in full. Just redact name and address.
#Post#: 81518--------------------------------------------------
Re: notice to owner (ealing)
DIR By: Dave Green
Date: July 17, 2025, 4:22 pm
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There's something wrong with your timeline.
--- Quote ---
> I saw this vehicle advertised in autotrader on 28th june
,contacted the advertiser and agreed to come down to london on
Monday 30th.
> ...........
> sent off the V5 ,section 4 was signed and dated january 25
--- End Quote ---
The date the V5 was signed obviously wasn't January 25th but
neither could it have been June 25th.
#Post#: 81636--------------------------------------------------
Re: notice to owner (ealing)
DIR By: Archie
Date: July 18, 2025, 3:47 pm
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Hi this should be it
HTML https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME13WIUH
Ref the dates,, the january one was the date the original owner
sold it to the person I bought it from
archie
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Re: notice to owner (ealing)
DIR By: RichardW
Date: July 19, 2025, 1:53 am
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Confusing....but it reads like:
Vehicle was sold in Jan; V5C was filled out but not sent off or
submitted.
Offence was committed by intermediate owner 13/14 June.
You bought it end of June, filled out your details on V5C and
sent it off, but didn't change date.
DVLA updated register, but used the 25th Jan date as change of
keeper.
So you are showing as reg keeper when Ealing applied for
details.
You have contact details, but no address, for the intermediate
owner.
Where did you buy the car? Pub carpark or layby? That's almost
always a bad idea.... Always best to update the details on line
which should then get the right date. You presumably used this
to tax it when you bought it?
Anyway you should be able to appeal with I was not the owner at
time of offence with your evidence of purchase after the event.
Not having an address won't help, and Ealing may well point to
the V5C and refuse. One would hope an adjudicator would find in
your favour at the tribunal however.
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Re: notice to owner (ealing)
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: July 19, 2025, 5:10 am
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As above, 'I also have all the txts between myself and the
vendor with dates and times and the reg number but I do not have
his address .'.
But the seller's* address must have been on the front page of
the V5C. Surely you did check that the person who was purporting
to have title to the car actually did, at least as far as the
V5C was concerned.
Anyway, something's very amiss here because DVLA would only add
you to the registered keeper's record as at the date you claim
to have become the RK.
I'm not convinced by the hypothesis of: 'You bought it end of
June, filled out your details on V5C and sent it off, but didn't
change date.
DVLA updated register, but used the 25th Jan date as change of
keeper.' but understand why it's been suggested by RichardW.
OP, can't access the NTOs in your link.
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Re: notice to owner (ealing)
DIR By: Archie
Date: July 19, 2025, 8:38 am
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Thanks above, Ive just ticked the link and its worked fine so
dontknow what to do/suggest.
The V5 shows me as aquiring the vehicle on 30-06-2025. wich
equates to all txts ,train tickets, insurance and times,
We live in York and shortly after arriving back rang and paid
the ULEZ. Hadnt been to London for years.
So intend to make representations stating in chronological order
how i came to purchase the vehicle. I will attatch a copy of the
txts and the recipients bank details and both the vendor and
partners names.
On a side note, some time between january and my purchase on
30th June this vehicle must have incured a ULEZ charge ?
and as i dont know the rules around this, are vehicles charged
for every day they are parked within the zone on a public road
or only when they move within this zone ?
thanks all
archie
#Post#: 81713--------------------------------------------------
Re: notice to owner (ealing)
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: July 19, 2025, 12:01 pm
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I can see the NTO now, thanks.
It's a parking contravention.
Therefore, as this applies:
Notice to owner
20.—(1) Where—
(a)a penalty charge notice has been given with respect to a
vehicle under regulation 9, and
(b)the period of 28 days specified in the penalty charge notice
as the period within which the penalty charge is to be paid has
expired without that charge being paid,
the enforcement authority concerned may serve a notice (a
“notice to owner”) on the person who appears to it to have been
the owner of the vehicle when the alleged contravention
occurred.
then how can this:
The V5 shows me as aquiring the vehicle on 30-06-2025. wich
equates to all txts ,train tickets, insurance and times,?
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Re: notice to owner (ealing)
DIR By: Archie
Date: July 19, 2025, 2:43 pm
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HTML https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME140RWJ
No idea, but the code on section 3 is 10 07 25 which would
equate to when they had the v5 from myself.
thanks archie
#Post#: 81752--------------------------------------------------
Re: notice to owner (ealing)
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: July 20, 2025, 5:48 am
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DVLA must have you as the registered keeper on the date of the
contravention, hence why the NTO was addressed to you.
As such you are presumed to be the 'owner' for regulatory
purposes and liable for the penalty.
Your only arguments would seem to be that:
You were not the registered keeper on the DVLA's register on the
relevant date; or.
You were but the vehicle was not being 'kept' by you.
The first implies an error by DVLA, the second by you e.g. it
was being kept by someone else(in your case the person from whom
you bought the car) and you did not check your V5C before
sending to DVLA and the new V5C when received etc.
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