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#Post#: 81881--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enfield PCN 01: Double yellow line former junction is now a
dead end from LTN
DIR By: Al
Date: July 21, 2025, 5:08 am
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Thanks for your suggestions. I have gone for the simplified
version and submitted a challenge. Now for time to take its
course.
#Post#: 82249--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enfield PCN 01: Double yellow line former junction is now a
dead end from LTN
DIR By: Al
Date: July 22, 2025, 9:21 pm
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Unfortunately, but as I expected, Enfield NSL are not prepared
to cancel the PCN. They plainly state the location as Derwent
Road and no mention to the house number. It feels like a generic
response to a 01 contravention challenge with no acknowledgement
to my content. (Council response
HTML https://imgur.com/a/NhNbnim)
As I understand it, the next stage is a formal appeal to the
council and if that fails it can move on to the tribunal.
As I am now out of the country on holiday and with only the
location to challenge. I am leaning towards paying the reduced
fine.
#Post#: 82258--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enfield PCN 01: Double yellow line former junction is now a
dead end from LTN
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: July 23, 2025, 2:13 am
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> I have gone for the simplified version and submitted a
challenge.
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Did you write O/S 85 Derwent Road or just plain Derwent Road in
your challenge?
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> I am leaning towards paying the reduced fine.
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I sympathise with your quandary.
On the one hand, there is the wrong location and the fact that
in rejecting there is a a 'failure to consider' the specific
point you made about location.
On the other, an adjudicator might judtifiably consider, in
light of the fact that the vehicle was parked on DYL in Derwent
Road, that the foregoing points were de minimis and refuse your
appeal.
The 'double or quits' gamble has become a lot more serious since
the huge increase in London penalty charges. I do not know if
Enfield is still a London Borough that routinely re-offers the
discount if it rejects reps against the NtO.
At the moment, I'd be inclined to payment, but see what others
say.
#Post#: 82260--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enfield PCN 01: Double yellow line former junction is now a
dead end from LTN
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: July 23, 2025, 2:18 am
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Let's see your actual submission pl.
#Post#: 82261--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enfield PCN 01: Double yellow line former junction is now a
dead end from LTN
DIR By: mrmustard
Date: July 23, 2025, 2:19 am
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We still don't know why you were there and for how long
#Post#: 82272--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enfield PCN 01: Double yellow line former junction is now a
dead end from LTN
DIR By: Al
Date: July 23, 2025, 3:21 am
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I combined JohnUK and MrMustard for my challenge:
Reason for appeal: 'I was not at the location on the day'
This PCN alleges the vehicle was parked o/s 85 Derwent Road. As
your own photos clearly show it was not parked outside or near
85 Derwent Road.
You will be aware that a PCN must show the correct location. I
was not waiting at the location alleged on the PCN and
accordingly the vehicle was not in contravention. As it does
not, I look forward to receiving your early cancellation.
I also attached an image of the traffic order highlighting the
location of 85 Derwent Road (and cropped out fox Lane 85)
The reasoning, I parked there over night. Im not justifying as i
accept i am at fault, but It is often busy and other do it too,
there were 2 on this occasion. I have parked there many times,
as it happened on this occasion I was running 10 minutes late
saw the CEO drive off.
Once the NtK is sent the "discounted sum is not available "
#Post#: 82281--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enfield PCN 01: Double yellow line former junction is now a
dead end from LTN
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: July 23, 2025, 4:01 am
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Once the NtK is sent the "discounted sum is not available "
Is correct in law because the regulations mandate the 'discount'
for a 14-day period at 50% of the penalty.
Thereafter, when authorities offer payment terms with
unsuccessful reps these more often than not offer a sum
identical to the discounted sum, but strictly speaking the
'discount' only arises with a PCN in its initial stages.
#Post#: 82775--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enfield PCN 01: Double yellow line former junction is now a
dead end from LTN
DIR By: Al
Date: July 26, 2025, 3:15 am
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Just to close this, I decided to pay the discounted PCN. Thank
you for all your help.
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