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#Post#: 81379--------------------------------------------------
Enfield PCN 01: Double yellow line former junction is now a dead
end from LTN
DIR By: Al
Date: July 17, 2025, 3:06 am
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Hi,
I haven't listed the details as this may be applicable to any
LTN.
I was wondering if there is any grounds to challenge a PCN I
received. Contravention code 01. I parked on a double yellow
line. It used to be a minor road joining a major road but now is
a dead end because an LTN has been placed at the end of the
minor road. The road blocks are planters with a bollard to allow
cyclists through.
The double yellow would have initially been to keep the junction
clear. Now its not a junction does that matter? Can they
essentially be arbitrarily placed? The only grounds I can think
are to keep clear a turning space for the dead end.
Many thanks,
Al
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Re: Enfield PCN 01: Double yellow line former junction is now a
dead end from LTN
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: July 17, 2025, 3:54 am
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Post the PCN with no redactions.
It doesn't sound hopeful though unless there's no traffic order
for the yellow lines.
#Post#: 81386--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enfield PCN 01: Double yellow line former junction is now a
dead end from LTN
DIR By: mrmustard
Date: July 17, 2025, 3:56 am
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Lines are underpinned by the law, motorists can't decide for
themselves that a parking or speeding restriction is no longer
required, that way leads to anarchy.
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#Post#: 81403--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enfield PCN 01: Double yellow line former junction is now a
dead end from LTN
DIR By: Grant Urismo
Date: July 17, 2025, 5:41 am
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They can paint lines wherever they like and do not need a
reason, but the do need a valid traffic order. I think your only
hope is that the traffic order might be written in such a way
that it doesn't match the new situation (perhaps specifying that
the lines are a certain distance from a junction that isn't now
a junction), but that's a long shot. We certainly can't help you
without knowing where this is, so you will need to show us the
PCN.
#Post#: 81640--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enfield PCN 01: Double yellow line former junction is now a
dead end from LTN
DIR By: Al
Date: July 18, 2025, 6:31 pm
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Here is the PCN
HTML https://imgur.com/a/p4oSso7
HTML https://imgur.com/a/p4oSso7
And GSV
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/veZhLTiCDywjsrRy7?g_st=ac
I know I shouldn't have parked there and will accept paying the
fine if it comes to it.
#Post#: 81641--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enfield PCN 01: Double yellow line former junction is now a
dead end from LTN
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 18, 2025, 7:38 pm
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A quick look at GSV shows the double-yellow lines were extended
at some point between GSV of 2022 and GSV 2020 which shows them
as not going so far into the street: -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/zVTL8RzBFJZksVvr6
#Post#: 81654--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enfield PCN 01: Double yellow line former junction is now a
dead end from LTN
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: July 19, 2025, 4:22 am
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You weren't parked o/s 85 Derwent Road and if you were then
there aren't any waiting restrictions.
85 Fox Lane is another matter.
#Post#: 81681--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enfield PCN 01: Double yellow line former junction is now a
dead end from LTN
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: July 19, 2025, 6:30 am
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Here's the traffic order map.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/1g5IZgZ.png
#Post#: 81689--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enfield PCN 01: Double yellow line former junction is now a
dead end from LTN
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: July 19, 2025, 7:58 am
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85 Derwent Road (as per PCN) is here
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/ioRm1Hh2xNf6fWtJ6
Weirdly, GSV won't let you put the marker on 85 - one has to use
83 or 85 (likewise for search).
GSV search for 85, Derwent Road produces a marker on 85, Fox
Lane.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/N8UDH6U64YDDd7gE6
(I've submitted an edit.)
I thought wrong location, no doubt confirmed by Council photos,
was fatal to PCN?
EDIT:
The confusion for the CEO presumably arose because the white
door of 85, Fox Lane is in Derwent Road and unhelpfully marked
with just a plain '85'.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/hKyZtVhv4J5edZNM9
#Post#: 81691--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enfield PCN 01: Double yellow line former junction is now a
dead end from LTN
DIR By: mrmustard
Date: July 19, 2025, 8:26 am
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If you read the two location lines separately they are true so
an adjudicator will probably not cancel for that especially as
the vehicle is on doible yellows.
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