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#Post#: 7566--------------------------------------------------
Hillingdon, Code 62 Parked with one or wheels on or over footpat
h, Monmouth Road, Hayes, Middx
By: dexx99 Date: October 16, 2023, 4:38 pm
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Hi, Members,
I went to park in a residential street and a saw a Blue pavement
parking sign to my right so assumed I could park in front. On
return I was dumbfounded to find I had been issued with a
ticket.
Please see the PCN and related images. I would be grateful for
your expertise to know if I have any valid grounds to challenge
in so far as I was concerned, I was legally pavement parked
according to the Blue sign.
PCN
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#Post#: 7601--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hillingdon, Code 62 Parked with one or wheels on or over foo
tpath, Monmouth Road, Hayes, Middx
By: John U.K. Date: October 17, 2023, 3:26 am
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Blue signs mark beginning and end of allowed footway parking
-for end see
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The possible good news is that, in passing a resolution to
disallow the footway parking ban in so-and-so road, some
Councils forget to stipulate on which lengths of footway parking
is so permitted, and thus allow parking for the whole road.
One of our members is an expert at obtaining these resolutions,
so give him a chance (you have a few days) to come along and
comment.
P.S can't help smiling at the ever-present CEO in GSV :)
#Post#: 7612--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hillingdon, Code 62 Parked with one or wheels on or over foo
tpath, Monmouth Road, Hayes, Middx
By: dexx99 Date: October 17, 2023, 5:53 am
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As we saw it coming from the other end of the road the Blue sign
marked a place, we could legally park. Lesson learnt the hard
way of course, but frustrating just by the fact I hadn't looked
at the sign from the other side to know that it was actually the
point at which footway parking restrictions started.
Anyway, thanks for your response. Hopefully I will be in luck
and Hillingdon council will have omitted to have made the
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#Post#: 7652--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hillingdon, Code 62 Parked with one or wheels on or over foo
tpath, Monmouth Road, Hayes, Middx
By: ivanleo Date: October 17, 2023, 3:23 pm
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This road is on the Hillingdon Footway Parking Exemptions
Spreadsheet
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e,
you should make a representation on day 14 (so by midnight on 29
October) in order to get the discount extended.
#Post#: 8524--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hillingdon, Code 62 Parked with one or wheels on or over foo
tpath, Monmouth Road, Hayes, Middx
By: dexx99 Date: October 27, 2023, 8:23 am
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Hi CP8759,
Whilst you still await the resolution from LBOH is there a
specific representation you would recommend I make by midnight
on 29th Oct?
#Post#: 8532--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hillingdon, Code 62 Parked with one or wheels on or over foo
tpath, Monmouth Road, Hayes, Middx
By: Pastmybest Date: October 27, 2023, 10:37 am
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Make a simple representation but add a spanner to delay a quick
and simple response.
Dear Mr parking
I challenge the service of PCN number xxxxxxxx to my vehicle AA
23 BCD on the basis that the contravention did not occur
I parked within an are governed by sign 667 I could see sign
667.2 at the end of the road.
In order to disallow the ban on footway parking a resolution of
the council must be made. The signage indicated shows that i was
within this area, If the council disagree I require that the
provide the resolution disallowing the footway parking ban on
Monmouth road in order that the correct interpretation can be
made
Send that once you have entered the details Even if they come up
with the resolution it leaves open an argument re the
positioning of the signs
#Post#: 8580--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hillingdon, Code 62 Parked with one or wheels on or over foo
tpath, Monmouth Road, Hayes, Middx
By: dexx99 Date: October 28, 2023, 9:43 am
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Thanks immensely Pastmybest,
Representations submitted as recommended as the backup argument
and that gives us more time for CP8759's application for the
resolution to come through too.
Many thanks for everyone's brilliant support! :)
#Post#: 9850--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hillingdon, Code 62 Parked with one or wheels on or over foo
tpath, Monmouth Road, Hayes, Middx
By: dexx99 Date: November 11, 2023, 9:35 am
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I got the response to my Reps from Hillingdon Council which were
rejected and I attach for your further advice.
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Unwillingness to provide the Resolution outside of an
arbitration hopefully means they haven't made the necessary
stipulation for Monmouth Road.
CP8759 I graciously await to hear on the outcome of obtaining
the Resolution.
Thanks.
#Post#: 10174--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hillingdon, Code 62 Parked with one or wheels on or over foo
tpath, Monmouth Road, Hayes, Middx
By: ivanleo Date: November 14, 2023, 11:14 am
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Working Party minutes 15 June 1987
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Works Committee report - 7 September 1987
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Works Committee Minutes 7 September 1987
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In the circumstances you might want to consider this strategy:
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#Post#: 10185--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hillingdon, Code 62 Parked with one or wheels on or over foo
tpath, Monmouth Road, Hayes, Middx
By: dexx99 Date: November 14, 2023, 12:23 pm
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That's a shame! :(
So, as page 8 lists Monmouth Road we can't use the resolution
argument as LBOH has the right to enforce parking according to
the signage in place.
CP8759 from the gist of your link my options are to make reps
for discretion and provide some form of click to view image to
hopefully trip the council up if they fail to consider it too?
As mitigation I could state the Equality Act 2010 and belief the
council should use its power to apply discretion on this
occasion as a form of 'reasonable adjustment'. Just seeing me as
another member of the public can be argued to be a form of
discrimination under the act.
In any case I believe it is unreasonable to have expected due to
my direction of travel I would have realised the reverse of the
blue sign was marked with a red diagonal cross signalling the
start of the restriction from the opposite perspective which is
essentially what tripped me up.
The image I could provide is a link to the sign in the direction
of travel as I approached it to hopefully make the council trip
up if as I expect any plea for discretion by itself will fall on
deaf ears as they tend to.
How do we setup the image so as to know if the council has
viewed it or not?
Just as an aside the date of the letter was 9th November, so is
the date of serving deemed to be Saturday 11th and thereby the
discounted period expires on midnight of 25th November?
Thanks.
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